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Well it was just a side not sort of thought that same to mind.
Which will break first: Glock 17, Sig Sauer 226 or HK USP?
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Has anyone else seen the show called "Tac TV"? I just caught the second episode of a two-part series where they abuse the heck out of a Gen 3 and a Gen 4 Glock. The Finale involves explosives that results in the slide being blown of the right front slide rail and the trigger being blown off. When they get it apart and back together, it still fires. Using a Multi -tool as a trigger of course. I just wish they would do this test series on a few other makes of gun.
They also dropped it from 500 ft, froze them in water over night and then dropped them out a second story window and in the scenes from the previous episode, shot them up close with a shotgun and dropped them onto a gravel road from a moving truck and then ran them over with a following vehicle. Among many other things.
They also dropped it from 500 ft, froze them in water over night and then dropped them out a second story window and in the scenes from the previous episode, shot them up close with a shotgun and dropped them onto a gravel road from a moving truck and then ran them over with a following vehicle. Among many other things.
How many times in a row do you use the decocker? You know you can always ease the hammer down while using the decocker right?
A USP was my first gun, it was great. Noisy decocker, but the pistols are extremely rugged. It would be right at home as a 10mm as well.
A USP was my first gun, it was great. Noisy decocker, but the pistols are extremely rugged. It would be right at home as a 10mm as well.
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Your bank account.
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I have learned from this thread that very few folks own an HK.
I does seem odd to me though that the most experienced and best trained military operators we have in our special forces seem to be misinformed and pick an HK firearm when they can have any that they like, given that the chairborne rangers here feel its the least reliable.
I does seem odd to me though that the most experienced and best trained military operators we have in our special forces seem to be misinformed and pick an HK firearm when they can have any that they like, given that the chairborne rangers here feel its the least reliable.
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Your point? They also use P226's.
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Ranger30-06 said:
Some do, last I heard.
And what's this fascination with what the military uses? Who cares what they pick as a largely unused side arm?
Somehow I doubt this is the case. Individual personnel may have some input as to their loadout for any mission, to some degree. But weapons contracts are decided by bureaucrats. Like these:
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20111110-38789.html
The more you overprice your merchandise, the more you can distribute as incentives. The government will pay $500.00 for a toilet seat, or $20.00 for a nail, as long as enough of that money finds its way into the right pockets. Same reason that doctors prescribe namebrand drugs that cost 50 times more than an equivalent generic, when that person has good insurance. They don't get paid directly, but they can be paid to be speakers at "conferences" that are little more than cush dinner parties or weekend vacations at resort hotels.
Did you know that 50% of people with good prescription med coverage suffer from a terrible affliction called GastroEsophageal Reflux Disease? Yeah, it used to be called heartburn. But now it's a disease for which the cure is a $5.00 a day pill. For some reason, people that don't have insurance do just fine without this wonder cure.
If Joe Schmoe is tricked into paying outrageous prices out of his own pocket with no incentives, that just makes him a sucker. When a bureaucrat is coaxed into paying outrageous prices with someone else's money, that's just business as usual.
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Noones calling into question the HK USP's stellar reputation for reliability under normal circustances. But this thread is which will break/fail first when we do stupid stuff, thread.
I know for a fact that a Glock and USP sitting in the bottom of a bucket of sand for a week in the back of a pickup truck while the owner drives around snowy salty winter roads.......
The Glock will work fine after the barrel is cleared and shaken up a bit. The USP won't after shaking it the same way. Been there, done that, and I have the extra $50 in my wallet to prove it. Sand gets into the hammer pivot and locks the pistol up. I'd imagine the Sig would fail in a similar manner.
In this group, I'm confident the HK finishes in 2nd place.
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YUP!
I also agree all three are exellent.
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Yes thaye are all excellent firearms and all very reliable if they were good to go after the first 500 rounds which is usually when the defect will show up if there is one. The Glock is certainly mroe resistant to sand and mud because its striker fired, and has less moving parts than a hammer fired gun.
The military has in the past required a hammer fired gun becuase it hits the primers harder, at least that is the theory. In my range experience that is not true. You can also change out any part on your Glock in the field with a simple tool, and parts are readily availible.
The military has in the past required a hammer fired gun becuase it hits the primers harder, at least that is the theory. In my range experience that is not true. You can also change out any part on your Glock in the field with a simple tool, and parts are readily availible.
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Unless you're IN the military, in which case your Glock better take Beretta M9 parts.
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Ah, these kinds of threads aren't particularly productive.... but they are fun. Given your selection of excellent pistols, the question kind of strikes me as a "which would break first Honda or Toyota" type question....
Having recently picked up one of the used USP 40's that CDNN is selling, I must say, I was taken aback by the build quality of these things. Its readily apparent that HK built some serious safety factor into these pistols. While I could see how the actuation point of the hammer could get clogged by a prolonged sand-bath. I really don't see parts breakage being an issue with this pistol, the thing is a Hoss.
That said, I also wouldn't bet against a Glock, although, if anything did go, my money would be on the take-down lever spring.
In terms of which pistol would break first, I think my ranking would be:
1. Sig
2. Glock or USP (It would really come down to individual pistols)
I do think a good fiber reinforced polymer frame will last longer (# shots) than most aluminum frames....Not that aluminum framed pistols can't be excellent, but a properly designed polymer frame is going to handle fatigue issues better than aluminum. Aluminum's fatigue issues keep a lot of people employed in the aircraft maintenance industry.
Having recently picked up one of the used USP 40's that CDNN is selling, I must say, I was taken aback by the build quality of these things. Its readily apparent that HK built some serious safety factor into these pistols. While I could see how the actuation point of the hammer could get clogged by a prolonged sand-bath. I really don't see parts breakage being an issue with this pistol, the thing is a Hoss.
That said, I also wouldn't bet against a Glock, although, if anything did go, my money would be on the take-down lever spring.
In terms of which pistol would break first, I think my ranking would be:
1. Sig
2. Glock or USP (It would really come down to individual pistols)
I do think a good fiber reinforced polymer frame will last longer (# shots) than most aluminum frames....Not that aluminum framed pistols can't be excellent, but a properly designed polymer frame is going to handle fatigue issues better than aluminum. Aluminum's fatigue issues keep a lot of people employed in the aircraft maintenance industry.
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That's not really true.
I've seen plenty of 1911's, Sig's, and a few Glocks on military folks. The M9 is just the pistol we hand out.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this point. I suffer from that wonderful affliction with or without prescription med coverage. Heartburn is occasional, GERD in my case is all the time. Doesn't matter what I eat or don't eat, whether I'm asleep, awake or anything else; the pain was going to come. Before there was Prilosec, I went through 2 to 3 rolls of Rolaids/Tums a day to try and control it. Now a single pill and I am good. Left untreated, the scarring it causes in the esophagus can cause it to close to the point that food will stop going down and then you get to go to the hospital and get roto-rootered. The most I ever paid was a little over $4 a day and I paid it gladly. Now that it is OTC, it is less than .$50 a day. Do I wish I didn't have to take it? Sure do, I hate taking anything, but being able to go through a day with out the burning and no longer waking up with the taste of stomach acid in my mouth is worth it.
Are you talking about DEVGRU and their adoption of the HK45C to replace the MK23 or...? Who exactly are you talking about? Where does your information come from?
Personally, I like HK, but that's a pretty bold statement without some supporting documentation.
How do you know this? As above, where is your information coming from?
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I voted Glock because I do not care for them.
But truth be told ... I doubt any of them will break in normal people's shooting.
But truth be told ... I doubt any of them will break in normal people's shooting.
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True.
The majority I would say carry the M9, but I have ran across a few that just don't like them and will typically carry a Sig, Glock, or something similar. I would say however most of them also stay within the .9X19mm caliber specified by NATO.
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