Trump releases policy paper on Second Amendment...

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If nothing else Trump is making the others talk about real issues they'd rather be silent on! This is the fist time in a long time real critical issues are becoming campaign issues rather than the "wedge issues" the media wants to spin to help the candidate of their choice.

What a real nightmare -- Trump vs. Bloomberg, with neither beholden to any "special interests"

Paul would definitely be my first choice overall, but coming out of another Jimmy Carter-like national malaise of foreign policy weakness I think his neo-isolationist foreign policy position will sink him (maybe already has). Cruz would be my second choice.

I'd certainly much prefer Trump to Bush, Christy, or Pataki.
 
This is a great discussion. Talk about timing this article was just posted on Yahoo;

“Donald Trump Has A New Gun Plan, And It’s Just As Crazy As You Think”

“Donald Trump imagines a world where regular citizens can buy automatic weapons; where gun owners can hide their weapons in any state; where there are no expanded background checks for gun purchases; and where citizens fight crime with their own assault rifles.

That’s at least according to Trump’s position statement on guns, which he released on Friday. In it, the Republican presidential candidate laid out a vision on the Second Amendment similar to the one held by the National Rifle Association, which opposes new gun control measures and advocates instead for stricter enforcement of existing laws.

“The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear,” Trump’s statement reads. “The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

A few parts of Trump’s statement focus on concealed carry, or the right for gun owners to walk around in public with their weapons hidden. He advocated for a federal law that mimicks a driver’s license — in other words, if you get a concealed carry permit in one state, it should be enforceable in other states.

This position is particularly personal to Trump. “Our personal protection is ultimately up to us,” his statement reads. “That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well.

Personal protection was another theme of Trump’s plan, which advocated “empowering” citizens to defend themselves and fight crime with their own weapons. “Here’s another important way to fight crime — empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves,” his plan reads. “Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time.”

Not only does Trump want citizens to fight crime, but he wants them to have better, more powerful guns to do it.

“Gun and magazine bans are a total failure,” he wrote…“Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice,” he added. “The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.”


Read the title of the article then his opinions which are many of the same opinion stated many times over on THR by members. It should be very clear how the liberal media is going to portray and treat gun owners in the upcoming election.
 
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It should be very clear how the liberal media is going to portray and treat gun owners in the upcoming election.
They will treat them as potential/definite voters. As many noticed, a new trend the past several years of historical record setting number of guns bought by new gun owners, IMHO, will likely have an impact on the next election and future elections.

Many of these new gun owners are Democrats who view gun ownership and self defense as rights issue and not a partisan issue.

I anticipate existing and new gun owners to vote for candidate who will preserve 2A/RKBA.

Trump releasing his position may be a very calculated move to secure the votes of these voters.
 
"The Don has now set the standard that will force the others to match or show their true colors."

This is the true utility of the man. More than anything else, he's been poking, prodding, and goading everyone else to lay their cards on the table. For all the fluff, childish bickering, and shallowness he's introduced into the race, it has become a race of issues and not talking-points for the first time in a while. The last three cycles I've been of age to vote, it was all about "who can we get in that chair" rather than "what do we want him to do" and the recent change is a relief.

I still doubt Don has the temperament or even the desire to get through the election (which would explain his propensity to hand-wave a lot of the implementation questions of his policy positions), but at this point he undoubtedly sees himself as something of a king-maker, able to directly drive the actions of his competitors. I think it is extremely interesting that only one of the candidates seems to be going out of his way to avoid picking personal fights with the man, while at the same time hanging back during these debates to let Trump take point (and all the damage) against all the other frontrunners. This despite being essentially, a professional debater. I think Cruz is letting Donald push the "overton window" or "zeitgeist" or whatever you want to call it, in his direction, while not becoming himself entangled with the petty squabbles plaguing all the other front runners early on in the process.

Not a bad plan, seeing as the two or three front runners for the GOP the last several cycles have all fallen by the wayside by the time it mattered. Romney/Huckabee made way for McCain, then like six guys in succession made way for Romney this last go around (ironically, Romney would have likely faired better his first go around in '08, and McCain in 2012 than Romney). Hopefully, the two are actively colluding to some degree, and we can see some sort of firearms policy address by Cruz in the near future. Seeing as he has one of the most fully developed views on the issue, it'd be interesting to see some specific areas he thinks he could impact things.

Things like;
-Withdrawing bureau opposition to the arguments in Hollis v Holder, since it makes no sense for a tax bureau to oppose its own ability to collect taxes
-Directing the ATF to make its first priority the streamlining of the NFA approvals process, so it takes mere days to pay your tax, then receive confirmation, just as is the case in every other tax bureau
-Rescinding the import ban on barrels (which, unlike the quasi-justifiable Norinco/Kalashnikov bans, has no practical basis)
-Directing the ATF to formally publish many of its technical findings and rulings in a searchable format, and more importantly, forcing them to square their many contradictory decisions
-Pressing congress to strip those traitorous words "sporting purposes" from all federal gun legislation, & directing the ATF to include target shooting and all competitive shooting sports in its definition in the meantime (this would single-handedly neuter 922r, ammo bans, some destructive device restrictions, and most import bans)
-Wherever he can, persuading the slave states to loosen their restrictions (the president has many political knobs and levers to encourage local governments and officials)
-Punish repressive locales with the same knobs and levers for prosecuting gun laws that are clearly unfair; taking point and pardoning unfortunate mothers & servicemen marooned in urban jails, without waiting for prosecutors or governors to see the bad publicity.

TCB
 
Since Trump has not held a political position would that make him less corrupt or more?
Does the President of the United States have any real power or he/she just a representative of the US?

Trump is already corrupt. During the first debate he admitted on live national television that he bribes politicians.
 
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It will be a cold day before I vote for trump.

I doubt that day will ever come. He will self-destruct long before the Republican Convention. Donald Trump is however the best thing that has happened to a Democratic Presidential Campaign since Barry Goldwater. The other presidential candidate that appeals as much to the emotions of the electorate as Trump is Democrat Bernie Sanders. Trump's goading of Republicans for greater written support for the RKBA could find Sanders emulating it to appeal to more conservative Democrats to draw support from Hilary Clinton. If the other things Trump is doing that alienates people and pins Republican potential nominees to extremes on other issues continues; it is likely he will damage all them sufficiently to make election of a Democratic very likely.
 
Trump is already corrupt. During the first debate he admitted on live national television that he bribes politicians.


So you prefer someone who lies to you about being corrupt vs someone who admits what you already know about how the system REALLY works?

Fascinating
 
Conservative Hillary Clinton voters? That's like 2 people.
Clinton is not a firebrand liberal like Sanders is. If anything the leftists in the democratic party don't like her at all. She's a centrist. The left leaning liberals will vote for her begrudgingly because she is the chosen one but she's not what they really want.

My bet is that Trump will be voting for her too.
 
So you prefer someone who lies to you about being corrupt vs someone who admits what you already know about how the system REALLY works?

Fascinating

I'm still not a Trump fan but I find it somewhat refreshing that he's basically saying that he's worked the system before and been successful on one side... and that he can do the same thing on the other side.


Rather than the what the typical politician on both sides does which is to claim they've always been Dudly Do-Right and if you elect them, they will save and protect you.... and your children!!!!
 
Clinton is not a firebrand liberal like Sanders is. If anything the leftists in the democratic party don't like her at all. She's a centrist. The left leaning liberals will vote for her begrudgingly because she is the chosen one but she's not what they really want.

My bet is that Trump will be voting for her too.

I agree with your assessment, although I am not sure Trump will actually vote since I suspect he will be in one of his hotels on election day sulking like Achilles in his tent.

I think Jerkface11 missed the distinction "conservative Democrats" in my earlier post as meaning Democrats more liberal leaning than liberal leaning Republicans and more conservative leaning than liberal leaning Democrats. Despite what many supporters of Republicans believe their are some Democrats who are more supportive of the RKBA than the Democratic Party Platform.
 
So you prefer someone who lies to you about being corrupt vs someone who admits what you already know about how the system REALLY works?

Fascinating
I don't see the person that offers the bribe as being any better than the person that takes the bribe. Also, Trump flat out lied about not trying to bribe Bush into opening Florida to Casino gambling. Trump gave the money and hired the lobbyists, it is on record. The only reason I can see Trump is denying it is because he didn't get the result he wanted. Failing at anything flies in the face of the image he presents as someone that always wins and can negotiate any deal.

Bottom line, I don't trust Trump. I don't think he means anything he is saying, I just think he says whatever he thinks will get the biggest rise out of people. He is the reality TV version of a shock jock. As a result of this complete distrust of Trump, I don't believe he means a word of the policy position he released on guns.
 
Trump did not lie about casino gambling and trying to bribe bush.

He did all this with bush'es predecessor. After Jebs election all such activity was halted.

So on this count Jeb is actually the liar when he clams trump tried to bribe HIM


FIFW you can say everything in the above post about ANY of the candidates seeking the executive office. Such ramblings show an extreme naively about how this office is sought.
 
their are some Democrats who are more supportive of the RKBA than the Democratic Party Platform.

It's hard to support the RKBA when you're voting for anti-gun politicians. And as long as the DNC has gun control as part of their platform every Democrat politician is anti-gun by default.
 
Not as left as Sanders doesn't make her a centrist. She's still a leftist nut.
Within the ranks of the Democratic party she is a slightly right of center centrist. The leftist faction of the party really dislikes everything about her other than the fact she doesnt have a penis hence the support for Sanders who really is a leftist. She is certainly not a centrist if you include self described Republicans. They don't count in primaries. Within her own party she is just one of the establishment good old boys.
 
It's hard to support the RKBA when you're voting for anti-gun politicians. And as long as the DNC has gun control as part of their platform every Democrat politician is anti-gun by default.

Some people near one extreme of the debate on the RKBA consider Ronald Reagan to be somewhat anti-gun. It is all about individual perspectives. There are many conservative Democrats that occasionally vote for Republicans. If Sanders tones-down some of the socialist rhetoric and is more pro-gun than Clinton he may get the nomination if current polling trends continue and are accurate. I think RKBA political activists better be making some contingency plans for the very real possibility of a Democrat being elected president in 2016. I have never seen the Republican party in such disarray and the longer Trump is campaigning the shorter the period of time for the party to recover.
 
Great policies, but how will he actually get anything done without playing politics? He may not be beholden to special intersests, but everyone else is.
 
Great policies, but how will he actually get anything done without playing politics? He may not be beholden to special intersests, but everyone else is.

Yup. He may be able to personally pay for his campaign expenses but he can't afford to pay for the expenses of other politicians.
 
You guys are turning into tinfoil hatters

The man isn't spending $100million dollars to secure the republican nomination just so he can give Hillary the presidency.

If there's something he wants out of the Oval Office he is in a position sign for it himself from behind the desk


I genuinely think you guys are in disbelief simply because you can't comprehend that republicans are doing this good and deep down inside you've grown to expect to lose.
 
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It comes down to this. NONE of the other candidates who have or have held public office have done ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to deserve a promotion

We are trillions in debt, I break over like a cheap shotgun whenever possible in the name of unity and make sure even the most basic functions of government turn into contentious angst riddled fights because I don't have the testicular fortitude to push for my issues without glomming them onto something that has to pass like a coward.

And you think someone like that should be president?
 
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