What Do You Carry For Defense Ammo?

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I apologize if this has been an exhausted topic on this site, I know it's a widely debated topic in general but was hoping to gain insight on what the folks here use and why.

That being said and shot guns aside, what do you use in your EDC or home defense firearms for ammo? Standard old FMJ's or some kind of 'Zombie/Critical Defense' JHP?



TIA, Jon
 
I apologize if this has been an exhausted topic on this site, I know it's a widely debated topic in general but was hoping to gain insight on what the folks here use and why.

That being said and shot guns aside, what do you use in your EDC or home defense firearms for ammo? Standard old FMJ's or some kind of 'Zombie/Critical Defense' JHP?



TIA, Jon

Neither, really.

I've been carrying for over a decade and all of my handgun carry ammo of choice over that time has been either:

-Speer Gold Dot
-Federal HST
-158gr LSWCHP +P (obviously for the revolvers in .38

That's it, although I also have some Federal 9BPLE.


For my home defense carbine in 5.56 it is currently Federal Fusion MSR which is a 62gr bonded round that does quite well for hunting and self defense applications.
 
Thanks for the response guys. I love to talk shop on ammo specific's but the other part of my question was why you carry the rounds you do versus other types.

You've all stated very clearly what you carry but why that over another type?
 
i only carry a .45 acp with Winchester 230 gr hp. Even if it does not expand...its still a 230 gr bullet. Should be a thump...if I can make a hit!

I don't have any real reason to carry that particular round...or any other makers ammo. It was probably the only thing on the shelf when I got it...maybe eight years ago. :what:

Just might be time to swap all that out. :rolleyes:

Mark
 
Thanks for the response guys. I love to talk shop on ammo specific's but the other part of my question was why you carry the rounds you do versus other types.

You've all stated very clearly what you carry but why that over another type?

They are proven. Not just in gel but in the real world by law enforcement agencies who issue them. For years all I carried was Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P in my 9mm's, which was/is all over LE including the NYPD in Glock 19's (I usually carry a 9mm Glock including a G19). HST is all the rage now, awesome gel tests and going strong with law enforcement. The Federal 9BPLE is well proven and well known at the Federal, state, and local levels, and in all US climates, and it is very well priced, reliable, and accurate, so I have some of it...but don't choose to carry it if I can have one of the others since the bullets are more likely to fragment/break up or clog and fail to expand than the HST is.

They are readily available. The Gold Dot 124+P 9mm I like not so much these days, but the HST 147 and 124+P have been pretty easy to find. Specifically they can be found in well priced 50 round boxes.

I have faith in both CCI/Speer and Federal to make reliable ammunition (not so much Winchester).

Look up the Ammo Quest gel tests on YouTube, for example.


The .38spl 158gr LSWCHP +P, aka the FBI Load, has been a strong, proven performer for decades. And in .357 magnum several 125gr JHP and SJHP are also long proven, so when I do carry a 4" .356 I have no issue with the Federral 357B, or the Remington SJHP 125gr, or Speer Gold Dot 125gr. There is also the 135gr Speer Gold Dot .38 spl +P.
 
Any name brand JHP that I've function tested is fine with me. I'm not too picky about this or that "magic" bullet design. Shot placement is way more important.
 
.45 ACP. Hornady 185 gr XTP/HP over 7.7 gr of WSF.

Why? Over the years I have had too many failures from factory ammunition and nary a one with my own reloads in over 30 years.
 
Gold Dots usually in 45ACP, I've been trying Hornady Critical Defense off and on for a while, might wind up using them full time. Critical Defense in 9mm. 12GA by the bed with 00 buckshot in it.
 
I rotate EDC guns.

Glock 36 .45 ACP . Remington Golden Saber 230HP
S&W 340 PD .38/357/ Magnum Speer Gold Dot 135+P (.38 Special)
S&W 686P .357 Magnum Federal 125JHP
 
Any name brand JHP that I've function tested is fine with me. I'm not too picky about this or that "magic" bullet design. Shot placement is way more important.





So why JHP's over FMJ's?

We all know the pro's and con's of both but why do you (and others) choose to use what you do?

This is really the heart of the discussion I was trying to get started...
 
Any name brand JHP that I've function tested is fine with me. I'm not too picky about this or that "magic" bullet design. Shot placement is way more important.





So why JHP's over FMJ's?

We all know the pro's and con's of both but why do you (and others) choose to use what you do?

This is really the heart of the discussion I was trying to get started...
Less chance of overpenetration. Maybe better stopping power (if the bullet mushrooms).
 
380 - Hornady 90gr XTP
38 - Golden Saber 125gr+P
9mm- HST 147gr
45acp- HST 230gr
5.56 - Federal MK 318 MOD-o 62gr OTM
 
I believe in using ammo that I practice with. I cannot afford to practice with commercial stuff so I just use my 158 gr RNFP .38 spl 900 fps reload target rounds.

I have done no official testing on penetration so I practice shooting from positions that would reduce possibility of harm to innocents.

I know there is debate about using reloads, but these are pretty much run of the mill target rounds and cannot be said to have been reloaded with murder in mind.
 
My reloads. A 115 grain Hornady XTP, over Power Pistol, with a CCI primer.

Why? I've got them. They work in my gun. Those particular bullets were on the shelf.

I'm kinda in the "shoot 'em with something...if it doesn't work...shoot 'em again" camp.
 
I have found Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense, and Federal HST ammo all to be reliable and consistent performers in my CCW guns. The only JHPs in .45 ACP that I have that work really well in my 1911s are Winchester 185. gr. Silvertips.
 
My Home Defense (bedside if you will) weapon is an M1 Carbine with a 15 round magazine of 110 grain soft points.

I like this for several reasons:
- More powerful than a .357 in an easy to handle, light, relatively short platform with low recoil
- 15 rounds
- My wife will practice with it
- If all else fails it can still be used to fend off a close in attack or swung or jabbed with.

I have thought about mixing in 110 grain FMJ with the soft points, the idea being the FMJs would give better penetration against an assailant with body armor. Does anyone have any perspective on this idea?
 
My Home Defense (bedside if you will) weapon is an M1 Carbine with a 15 round magazine of 110 grain soft points.

I like this for several reasons:
- More powerful than a .357 in an easy to handle, light, relatively short platform with low recoil
- 15 rounds
- My wife will practice with it
- If all else fails it can still be used to fend off a close in attack or swung or jabbed with.

I have thought about mixing in 110 grain FMJ with the soft points, the idea being the FMJs would give better penetration against an assailant with body armor. Does anyone have any perspective on this idea?

You are very unlikely to face home invaders wearing body armour.

Even with soft body armour you should still get some kind of effect on target with the sot points, and they would seem significantly better vs the far more likely unarmoured targeted.

If I wanted a shoulder fired firearm for home defense with a mind for defeating soft armour, but not wanting excess wall penetration, I would probably go with a light and fast bullet...something like 5.56/.223.

But I'll admit little knowledge of terminal ballistics of the different choices for your particular rifle. Does the FMJ penetrate walls and the like much more than the soft point?
 
Like buttons are for social media. This isn't that. Popularity is often misplaced and usually misinformed. There are two presidential candidates currently garnering a lot of popularity, right?

Carry ammo as a single catch all round has too many diverse elements. Barrel length has a big influence, and velocity from barrel length is a known issue that can defeat the most highly rated cartridge just shooting if from something an inch shorter. It's why there are so many tests and evaluations.

Try sorting out .380 ammo and see. It takes specifying the exact barrel length - cut that barrel down one half inch and the results can be turned on their head. When I read Shooting The Bulls results in his ammo tests of .380 what was the popular "liked" round didn't come up so well in the rankings.

For that matter what most of us choose is based on tests that dont' even include our caliber or barrel length - it's carryover from something longer or bigger. We assume if it works good in Gun X that it should in Gun Y, but that is exactly what it is, an assumption. It's not proven factual at all.

Goes to the HD crowd, too. Lots of assumptions but no empirical testing and the basis for performance isn't well thought out either.

Look at what we do have in the way of testing - mostly gel blocks at ten yards, for self defense ammo. And what is the statistical likelihood of use? Often, much closer range, and with a barrier, either heavy clothing, and always a significant bone structure, either chest or cranial. Where is the testing for your barrel length simulating that? It's usually inferential, Even the FBI protocols aren't set up for it. They shoot their preferred DUTY gun with a 4"+ barrel, and barriers they choose, not what you might experience.

Don't sweat the small stuff, work toward better shot placement, and more importantly, awareness that you need to shoot at all. What ammo focuses too narrowly on a item that can only incrementally improve the results where being accurate and timely has a much bigger influence.
 
Hornady Critical Duty (135 grain 9mm).

I prefer a JHP over FMJ for a defensive round and I chose the Critical Duty because it is a quality round that happened to be on sale. I would feel comfortable using most any major brand JHP that functioned in my pistol.

IMHO bullet choice is secondary to getting rounds on target.

Pete
 
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