What are the chances of ruger replacing its 77/357 and 77/44

I just don't think they can sell enough of any pistol caliber carbine to make it worth their while. They certainly can't sell enough to keep a line running making any of them, and when they try to do the "build up a stock then wait for them to sell" they are left either holding guns not sold or running out while there is a demand and creating hard feelings among would be buyers.

Shoot I wouldn't mind seeing them do a run of PC9s and PC40s again and imagine a few would sell, but enough to keep the book keepers at Ruger happy?

Now that Ruger has decided we can be trusted with magazines holding more than five shots I would love to see one of their newer model semi auto hunting carbines but in 10mm that would come with a four or five shot hunting mag and a ten or fifteen round plinking and social work mag or six.....and factory fitted peep and mounts for LER (scout) type scoping or red dotting.

I would also like them to be priced like Hi Points as long as I am dreaming.

-kBob

I wouldn't hold my breath, better off to go find a used one somewhere.

I own a 77/357. It's a good, reliable shooter, accurate enough at 100 yards with insignificant recoil. As with most magazine-fed PCCs the max cartridge OAL is shorter than in my revolver - so the 180gr. WFNGC bullets aren't much use (gotta have some room for powder y'know).

You will never see them again.....they cost too much to make.

The people I know that are jonesing for a 357 lever or bolt gun I need 3 hands to count. Marlin will not make the 357, and the price of the Rossi is not going to get cheaper....if you can find one.

But Ruger is building things to a price, and good quality things like the 77 series are not part of their walmart business model.

All you have to do is look at their current offerings....and what they have dropped....no more #1.....they say no one bought them, but they had a wait list and everyone was sold before it was built....nope that is not ringing too true.

They are in it for the quick buck and their current offerings are only a half step above a hi point.

And they just are not that good....I am leaning to Savage anymore.....their stuff is just giving you so much value and an actually good and finished product over Ruger......Savage is offering the best bang for the buck in "american" anymore.....Ruger is just banking on their name and that company will be run into the ground not unlike Colt....a great company that once made fantastic high quality items....now just a shell. And do they make anything or do they farm everything out....Ruger will bet that was before long.....their current offerings are just so rock bottom.

I am extremely happy with all of my ruger firearms. Though I agree that ruger is moving toward low end mass market guns they are doing a good job of it and there sales speak for that.

someguy2800 said:

I wouldn't hold my breath, better off to go find a used one somewhere.

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You beat me to it, !!. Either that or talk to some of the higher-ups in Ruger's accounting department about profit margins / return on investment stuff. Things like that are usually what decides the fate of a product line despite whatever the customer base thinks of it. The bottom line usually rules.

someguy2800 said:

I am extremely happy with all of my ruger firearms. Though I agree that ruger is moving toward low end mass market guns they are doing a good job of it and there sales speak for that.

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Just like Walmart is a sales leader....does not mean they sell anything of quality.

It is a real shame.

About the only people buying them were folks in states with severe limitations on rifle cartridges. The new American in 450 Bushmaster was designed specifically to meet the requirements of those states. I don't see them coming back, nor missed by many.

fpgt72 said:

Just like Walmart is a sales leader....does not mean they sell anything of quality.

It is a real shame.

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then go shop somewhere else

I am lucky and got a 77 44 and 357 quite a while back. Fun little guns. Accurate enough, very cheap to shoot when you cast and reload, handy to tote, and can do just about anything, though they really are not the BEST at anything. Useful little guns!

Grab a used one if you can get a price you like! I am sure you will like it as long as you understand it is a handy little carbine, not a precision rifle, though mine are accurate enough.

I like them simply because they are so handy, especially with the barrels shortened (provided you live in a free state), and cheap for me to shoot. The 357 has a 12 inch barrel with excellent ghost ring sight and front setup from NECG. The 44 is same, though with a 16 inch barrel. Both are great suppressor hosts if you want to go in that direction. Tough to get that kind of package anywhere else.

The only downside to either of my rifles is the magazine length limitation, though I can deal with that.

Mine is great for hunting these in my backyard:



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VThillman said:

I own a 77/357. It's a good, reliable shooter, accurate enough at 100 yards with insignificant recoil. As with most magazine-fed PCCs the max cartridge OAL is shorter than in my revolver - so the 180gr. WFNGC bullets aren't much use (gotta have some room for powder y'know).

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I have a 77/357 and load 180's for it. Works just fine. The 357 case will hold a lot of powder. 12 grains of 2400 isn't even close to a compressed load. That will give you a MV of 1400 fps. Hornady makes a 180 gr XTP bullet and ammo also I believe.

Most rifle shooters don't understand the niche market here. It's way better than a slug gun for deer. A lot less recoil and more accurate at 100 yards. I took the scope off of mine and shoot it with the factory sights. Accuracy is about the same as my M1 carbine at 100 yards.

Neither the 77/357 or the 77/44 is coming back. Used ones are already selling for more than new ones a few years ago.

Ruger's doing what it always has done - building relatively low cost firearms with broad market appeal. Dropping niche models as they fall out of style like the 96, 10/22magnum, No. 1, and now 77/rotary rifles is keeping pace with what they have always done, and what has always worked to keep them growing.

I haven't yet done the figuring on which receiver is needed, but I do wish I could find the parts cheaply enough to blend a .357mag bore with the .44mag rotary magazine, producing a Ruger 77/357/44 Bain & Davis Mag. While it wouldn't make much sense as a bolt action rifle, it certainly would be a neat companion rifle for my 357/44 B&D revolvers, with an entirely different twist on range potential. Of course, Hornady discontinuing the 180 SSP is a downer for such a conversion, but I have a happy supply and pipeline of HotCor's which serve nicely.

I pined for a 357 lever for years and eventually got a Rossi model 92. In the long run I found it didn't meet my desires as well as a 30-30. The 357's are slick little rifles, but 30-30's are better. The bolt actions come in all sort of cartridges wich will out perform the 357 out of good, cheap rifles. The Ruger American 223 I bought out shoots any 357. When loaded with full 357 loads the Rossi kicked like my Winchester 94. There is just very little justification for 357 rifles. Sold the Rossi.

someguy2800 said:

then go shop somewhere else

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I do.

olafhardtB said:

I pined for a 357 lever for years and eventually got a Rossi model 92. In the long run I found it didn't meet my desires as well as a 30-30. The 357's are slick little rifles, but 30-30's are better. The bolt actions come in all sort of cartridges wich will out perform the 357 out of good, cheap rifles. The Ruger American 223 I bought out shoots any 357. When loaded with full 357 loads the Rossi kicked like my Winchester 94. There is just very little justification for 357 rifles. Sold the Rossi.

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I have buckets and buckets of 357 brass....I own nothing in 30-30. This is one reason I want one, and kick myself for not getting one quicker.

This idea popped into my rittle brain during the last great ammo shortage....my little brain went...hay I can reload the heck out of 357, make it a hot or soft as I want, and can actually shoot it. It would be great for the opossum, raccoon or coyote that wants to hit my all night chicken buffet (I have lost 11 birds so far just this year)....It is a pistol cartridge so I don't have so much to worry about, will hit a tad harder then a 22, so when I wake up at o-dark thirty to the sounds of death in the chicken house I can be a little more off in my aim. And it would just be a fun can killer....that you could shoot the next time a dem gets control of the US.

There is a ton of justification for 357 rifles...you just have to have the correct need for it.

CoalTrain49 said:

I have a 77/357 and load 180's for it. Works just fine. The 357 case will hold a lot of powder. 12 grains of 2400 isn't even close to a compressed load. That will give you a MV of 1400 fps. Hornady makes a 180 gr XTP bullet and ammo also I believe.

Most rifle shooters don't understand the niche market here. It's way better than a slug gun for deer. A lot less recoil and more accurate at 100 yards. I took the scope off of mine and shoot it with the factory sights. Accuracy is about the same as my M1 carbine at 100 yards.

Neither the 77/357 or the 77/44 is coming back. Used ones are already selling for more than new ones a few years ago.

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My 1st choice for the 44 Mag is IMR4227; 2nd choice is H110. Both powders burn clean with full or nearly full cases. My experience with 2400 was long ago, but back then it burned dirty in the loadings the manual listed. I have a pound of it, bought out of sentiment; I'll try it. Thanks.

fpgt72 said:

I have buckets and buckets of 357 brass....I own nothing in 30-30. This is one reason I want one, and kick myself for not getting one quicker.

This idea popped into my rittle brain during the last great ammo shortage....my little brain went...hay I can reload the heck out of 357, make it a hot or soft as I want, and can actually shoot it. It would be great for the opossum, raccoon or coyote that wants to hit my all night chicken buffet (I have lost 11 birds so far just this year)....It is a pistol cartridge so I don't have so much to worry about, will hit a tad harder then a 22, so when I wake up at o-dark thirty to the sounds of death in the chicken house I can be a little more off in my aim. And it would just be a fun can killer....that you could shoot the next time a dem gets control of the US.

There is a ton of justification for 357 rifles...you just have to have the correct need for it.

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I think that would be a perfect use for a 357 rifle. A brick of primers, a few pounds of powder, and a bullet mold would insure critter shooting for years to come from coons to small deer. I would really like a lever rifle if I could ever find one for a reasonable price.

I have tried both H110 and 2400 with 158 XTPs and find 2400 a bit more accurate.



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One of the main reasons why so many people like 357 carbines is they are cheap to shoot, like 9mm and 22LR. Most of them can also shoot 38 spl which is a cheap plinker. The 357 has a decent trajectory out to 100 yards which means you can actually hit something with a little practice. Although the velocity is slow by rifle standards the 158 and 180 gr bullet is heavy enough to use on medium sized game.

The only downside is the the restricted effective range. Probably the reason why some states have recently made them legal for deer.