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In your (incorrect) opinion. Those in the know, think differently.
I would like more information on this statement please. Can you explain how his opinion is incorrect?
In your (incorrect) opinion. Those in the know, think differently.
I served on the frontline in Europe during the Meinhoff-Red Army Faction campaign at a major target location, co-ordinated with the German Border Police including their GSG-9. Had plenty of training and worked to a supervisory level, and conducted training.In your (incorrect) opinion. Those in the know, think differently.
Oh, and while you're here, about that Columbine comment...
You do realize that there was and armed guard there, right? Cop? With a gun? Kind of destroys the whole gun free zone argument you keep trying to push, doesn't it?
I would like more information on this statement please. Can you explain how his opinion is incorrect?
Not especially taken with your deciding you run the discussion.Let's let RPZ plead his case. Let him articulate and prove (with hard evidence) his statement that check points "are futile."
Especially since these are the some of the methods used everywhere that matters for these types of attacks.
Not especially taken with your deciding you run the discussion.
I am curious about what I asked...whether he is right or wrong doesnt really matter to me.
I just asked a question, respectfully.
WrongOh, and while you're here, about that Columbine comment...
You do realize that there was and armed guard there, right?
Wrong
The closest one (and one of the two first respondents) was at Pamona High School. When he got there the fire sprinkler system was activated, the electricity had shut off and fire alarms were flashing red. Based on what they got from dispatch, they believed they were facing multiple (more than two) heavily armed attackers. They waited behind a truck in the parking lot for backup.
He said (to me) "They don't pay me a million dollars."
My comments are not intended to be disparaging. I wasn't there and make no judgements about why they did what they did.
The gentleman that told me this was an acquaintance and fellow member of the Boulder Rifle Club.
I see. I was just hoping for a direct answer.Respectfully, it's not my job to prove a statement that someone else has made. His comment, he has to prove it to be true. I can disprove it, but let him prove it. That's how debates work.
Or just Google it
The gentleman that told me this was an acquaintance and fellow member of the Boulder Rifle Club.
I see. I was just hoping for a direct answer.
How does a facility overcome the hazards of stacking up people at security checkpoints? How does a facility search/examine large numbers of people safely and in a timely manner?
I just believe I have a pretty realistic view of the average citizen's abilities.
Stoky,
Just do me a favor, fact check, fact check, fact check.
Jefferson County Sheriff (John Stone) was rabidly anti 2A, and some of the accounts that were portrayed by the LSM (and probably, subsequently, Google) were "creative", to express it charitably.
I was one of the Hams that facilitated communications between departments during the episode, which led to subsequent boondoggle(s) to make comms more "secure".
While Google is great for arm chair fact checking and internet debates, you might want to do a little more fact checking yourself.
http://www.westword.com/news/the-shadow-of-columbine-looms-over-this-jeffco-sheriffs-race-5121025
Don't know. Maybe it is a matter of attention span.why am I getting the feeling this thread is getting bedraggled and has gone beyond its usefulness?
Is it just me?
Don't know. Maybe it is a matter of attention span.
In direct line with the OP, I have brought up the Israeli model, and so far no one has commented yes I
Maybe a citizen who tries to take out a terrorist will succeed, and maybe the citizen will fail. But the citizen who does NOT try will DEFINITELY fail.There's always going to be soft targets. Airports, stadiums, concert arenas, etc. That is never going to change. Terrorists hit those locations because they contain large groups of people, not because people are unarmed. Airports have armed security, as do stadiums, and not to mention law enforcement presence. Again, the types of attacks they are using in these locations, backpack pressure cooker bombs, for example (Manchester 2017), a gun won't stop.
Here we are, 6 pages deep into this thread and no one has been able to show any compelling evidence that suggests that an armed civilian would have any significant impact on these threats (the crux of this thread). The information that has been posted - the FBI study, the excellent links provided by Double Naught Spy - highlight that this is way more complex than just "packing heat." The sooner we realize this, the better.
Israel has given us a great model. because of our slavish worship of Israel the whole west must now live like them under constant fear of attackDon't know. Maybe it is a matter of attention span.
In direct line with the OP, I have brought up the Israeli model, and so far no one has commented on that.
I agree, to a degree. But let's not go that route here.well if it wasn't for our worship of the Israelis how much terror would the west be seeing?
They also don't get their reward if they are killed by a woman, one reason the Kurdish female fighters are so feared.I have often wondered what effect this would have is someone started doing this. I'm not advocating desecrating (and its gross to boot) but the thought that dying foe the jihad WONT get you to heaven, what would that do to recruiting efforts?
I do realize that often suicide bombers are essencially forced at gunpoint to do it and this would have no affect for these unfortunate souls
might be a good idea to tell these guys if the go to heaven and get 18 virgins they also get 18 mother in lawsThey also don't get their reward if they are killed by a woman, one reason the Kurdish female fighters are so feared.
They also don't get their reward if they are killed by a woman, one reason the Kurdish female fighters are so feared.