theboyscout
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Picking a model is important which one would you pick and why,? Chamber is 30-06 money not an issue between them.
Winchester 70 or remington 700?
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Four threads running on the same topic? Not bashing at you,
would have been more convenient to respond to one thread rather than several.
I'll offer my thoughts:
I have both Win 70 and Rem 700. Both are excellent.
Rem was cheaper and has more accessories and aftermarket upgrades.
would have been more convenient to respond to one thread rather than several.
I'll offer my thoughts:
I have both Win 70 and Rem 700. Both are excellent.
Rem was cheaper and has more accessories and aftermarket upgrades.
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Klint Beastwood
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i've always gone with remington. the diversity of options that are available to it is the reason as well as its design it something im used to. soo logistics and comfort.
.308 Norma
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I'm a fan of controlled round feed, large claw extractors, and 3-position safeties, so Winchester 70 for me. That said, my 30-06 is an old, Model 77 Ruger, and it's worked great for deer, elk and antelope since the early '80s.
Kingcreek
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Just saw that you have 3 or more threads going on basically the same theme.
cdb1
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Current manufacture is a no brainer for me - M70.
Push feed M70 vs Model 700? Probably a Model 700.
In response to your "plethora" of other threads: I don't do Savage. Buy a M70 Alaskan and you get your iron sights. Hand load 220 grain solids and you are good to go on any game in Florida.
Post script: I forgot about the 700 BDL.
Push feed M70 vs Model 700? Probably a Model 700.
In response to your "plethora" of other threads: I don't do Savage. Buy a M70 Alaskan and you get your iron sights. Hand load 220 grain solids and you are good to go on any game in Florida.
Post script: I forgot about the 700 BDL.
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VoodooMountain
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Not even a fair fight if buying new.
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Ditto
Winchester.
Historically from the 1960's for the next 30 years the odds were that a Remington would be more accurate. That is a well earned reputation that they are still selling rifles on. The Winchester, even the post 64 rifles have always been better built with a better, much more rugged reliable design. Hunters going after game that might bite back have rarely chosen a Remington. Where extreme accuracy is called for yes.
But within the last 20 years or so Winchester is building a rifle that is every bit as accurate, and since 1992 they have gone back to the pre-64 design. Modern model 70's aren't an exact copy of the pre-64, but the important design principles are in place. And when comparing similar Remington and Winchester models prices are close enough to call a tie.
Remington uses round bar stock for the action because it requires less machining. The recoil lug is a washer in between the barrel and front of the receiver. The extractor is made from a sheet metal stamping that breaks much easier than any other rifle, they use a spring loaded plunger for an ejector that is easily damaged. The bolt handles are soldered onto the bolt and have a reputation for falling off. They use a 2 position safety that won't lock down the bolt and they've had trigger issues since the 1940's.
A Winchester action is flat bottomed to sit better in the stock with a recoil lug machined into the bottom. The extractor is a huge claw that grabs over 1/2 of the cartridge rim and the ejector is a foolproof design. Bolt handles are one piece and attached to the rear of the bolt and they have a 3 position safety that will lock the bolt down and still allow you to unload the rifle while on "safe" when in the middle position.
Winchester triggers prior to 2008 were as simple, rugged and foolproof as possible. But rarely were very smooth or light until worked over by a gunsmith. This is a huge reason why Remington was traditionally more accurate. The trigger was redesigned on Winchesters in 2008 and is now one of the smoothest in a factory gun. I still prefer the older trigger, but so far there haven't been any issues.
Historically from the 1960's for the next 30 years the odds were that a Remington would be more accurate. That is a well earned reputation that they are still selling rifles on. The Winchester, even the post 64 rifles have always been better built with a better, much more rugged reliable design. Hunters going after game that might bite back have rarely chosen a Remington. Where extreme accuracy is called for yes.
But within the last 20 years or so Winchester is building a rifle that is every bit as accurate, and since 1992 they have gone back to the pre-64 design. Modern model 70's aren't an exact copy of the pre-64, but the important design principles are in place. And when comparing similar Remington and Winchester models prices are close enough to call a tie.
Remington uses round bar stock for the action because it requires less machining. The recoil lug is a washer in between the barrel and front of the receiver. The extractor is made from a sheet metal stamping that breaks much easier than any other rifle, they use a spring loaded plunger for an ejector that is easily damaged. The bolt handles are soldered onto the bolt and have a reputation for falling off. They use a 2 position safety that won't lock down the bolt and they've had trigger issues since the 1940's.
A Winchester action is flat bottomed to sit better in the stock with a recoil lug machined into the bottom. The extractor is a huge claw that grabs over 1/2 of the cartridge rim and the ejector is a foolproof design. Bolt handles are one piece and attached to the rear of the bolt and they have a 3 position safety that will lock the bolt down and still allow you to unload the rifle while on "safe" when in the middle position.
Winchester triggers prior to 2008 were as simple, rugged and foolproof as possible. But rarely were very smooth or light until worked over by a gunsmith. This is a huge reason why Remington was traditionally more accurate. The trigger was redesigned on Winchesters in 2008 and is now one of the smoothest in a factory gun. I still prefer the older trigger, but so far there haven't been any issues.
cdb1
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You said it about as well as it could be.
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Remington for me if post 64
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I'm partial to the pre 64 Remingtons with controlled push feed
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my left hand winchesters and one right hand pre 64 made in 1951. i am a remington man and i find the rem,s are lighter and offer several models with different barrel lenths and two lenth actions at reasonable price points. i have both win-rem that shoot very well. remington got the jump on winchester with their 870 in 1950 and 1948 with their 721-722, while winchester didn,t change their model 12-model 70 ontill 1963. you could buy a rem 721-722 in 1948-1962 for well under a winchester model 70, maybe not as pretty, but to me just as tough as i have several that have been in use since bought new a 1948-3006, 1953-257 ,1955-222, 1955-308. and have been used by three generations killing unknown amounts of game with no problems at all(no parts breaking or AD,s).eastbank.
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Buying new or used?
Used, depends on what year they were made. New, Mod 70 all the way. Despite all the aftermarket support for the Rem, the Mod 70 is just a better gun now.
I like both guns, i own both. Both of my examples are plenty accurate. I have an older 700 in 25-06 and a new 70 featherweight in 22-250. I would go with the 70 tween the two but i would rather buy a CZ 550, Bergara B14 or a Tikka T3 than either unfortunately.
Used, depends on what year they were made. New, Mod 70 all the way. Despite all the aftermarket support for the Rem, the Mod 70 is just a better gun now.
I like both guns, i own both. Both of my examples are plenty accurate. I have an older 700 in 25-06 and a new 70 featherweight in 22-250. I would go with the 70 tween the two but i would rather buy a CZ 550, Bergara B14 or a Tikka T3 than either unfortunately.
Hangingrock
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Since Winchester declined to offer Left Hand bolt action rifles till the Classic series, I made do with Remington 40X - 700 & the cost-effective 788 series and never thru thousands of rounds experienced the problems you mentioned.
When the M70 LH classic became available I obtained one in 30-06. The action to stock fit required re-bedding, the trigger was adjusted for better trigger press weight and the MIM extractor was replaced with an aftermarket machined extractor. Accuracy was adequate but not exceptional. Bolt manipulation was not smooth requiring lapping and cycling the action repetitively.
Other than the previously mentioned problems requiring resolution its been a adequate rifle.
Legionnaire
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Winchester if you're going to keep it bone stock. Remington 700 if you're a tinkerer and/or plan to do any customizing. My personal preference is the 700.
SwampWolf
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jmr40 said all that needs being said.
I bought a 7mm Winchester Model 70 at 18. The rifle has never failed me, and has collected its fair share of whitetails and mule deer here in SD. If I was told I had to hunt with it for the rest of my life, I'd do so with a smile on my face. I've never owned a Remington, but do have experience with them, as my father's go-to rifle has always been a 700 in .243 Its also been a solid rifle, but with minor feeding issues, and then there's the infamous 700 trigger, which is still orginal. I just like the lines of a classic model 70, when I picture "deer rifle" its just what I picture, every time. I like the 3 position safety especially, although, a combination of a 3 position safety, buck fever, and one quick opportunity to take a shot cost me a Niiiiiiiice whitetail buck...I flicked the safety, squeezed the trigger....squeezed harder, yanked it....all while tracking the deer in the scope, only realizing why the trigger wouldn't pull as the deer disappeared from sight....but thats my own fault, as I was familiar with the rifle and really had NO excuse for what happened
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The new model 70's are surprisingly good . I own a FWT 270 and a supergrade 270 and I cant find anything to complain about. I really cant speak for the 700,, the bad press about the trigger has scared me off. I own a 2004 700 classic in 8mm mauser and its a really good rifle
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For hunting, the Win M70 Extreme Weather (mine's a <1MOA shooter out to 300 yards and didn't rust or let me down on 4 hunts). For target and modification work, the Rem 700 bedded in a Bell & Carlson full bedding block stock (like the Rem Long Range Rifle in .30-06 with 26" bull barrel). My .Rem 700 .308 Win Varmint 26" BB in a B&C A5 stock shoots to 0.5 MOA out to 300 yards.
YMMV...mine doesn't,
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YMMV...mine doesn't,
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