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Mare's leg

Wanted: Dead or Alive was a half-hour Western television show which ran from 1958-1961. It starred Steve McQueen as the bounty hunter Josh Randall. The character was noted for wielding a modified Winchester 1892 .44-40 lever-action rifle called the "Mare's leg". With a reduced stock and a barrel cut down to less than a foot long, Randall could carry it holstered on his hip. It was his signature piece, and now gunmaker Rossi is selling it in .44 magnum, .45 Colt, and .38 special/.357 mangum.

Of this design, Tamara Keel writes:

When I was younger, I used to think cut-down lever guns, a la Steve McQueen's "Mare's Leg" were just the coolest thing ever.


Now that I am older and actually know a little bit about firearms, I think they make about as much sense as a kickstand on a tank.


They still look cool though, and, y'know... Firefly.

"Forget that it's 1877, he was in the Union Army in 1864, which would make him 8-10 years older than his real age at the time. Forget that his sawed off Winchester 1892 didn't exist in this time frame, that it fired short pistol ammunition like .44-40 and possibly .45 Colt, that it couldn't possibly accept the long .30-30 cartridges on his belt that weren't developed until the Winchester 1894 came along. In the first episode he has to bury a murdered doctor and he pulls a U.S. military shovel circa 1944 from under his saddle. While he puts 19th century cuffs on some prisoners, ties some with rope, on one occasion he puts old fashioned leg irons on a prisoner's hands, way too dangerous and way too stupid for a pro like Josh Randall. In a feat too fantastic to believe, an outlaw takes away his sawed off Winchester and removes the firing pin without the aid of tools and without so much as removing the bolt from the receiver. Of course there's also that sawed off rifle of his that sometimes has a D-ring on the lever and sometimes a teardrop ring, a gun barrel that changes from round to hexagon, and a gun barrel that always has a bigger bore than the .30 caliber slug in a .30-30 shell. And let's not forget that the outdoor scenes seldom match the geography of the story lines and that more times than not they use the same western street sound stage for towns ranging from Wyoming to Arizona to Texas with just the store front names changing! All this in just the first half of the first season. LOL "


"Right from the start the show had the coolest lead-in ever with the camera focused squarely on Josh Randall's 'hogleg' as he slowly walks up to a wanted poster and rips it away from the board. There was something 'mighty' intriguing about the lone bounty hunter who brought in many more bad guys alive than dead. And then there was that sawed-off Winchester '86 and those large 45-70 caliber cartridges. I never did figure out how Josh could load so fast. It couldn't have taken more than three rounds in its magazine, but Josh could easily get off four or five rounds in rapid succession. What about Josh's horse? He/she seemed to prefer to walk sideways but could back up as well as Trigger. Great memories, no doubt. I've viewed countless westerns over the years and I am firmly convinced that absolutely no one but Steve McQueen could have played TV's purest bounty hunter. Todays version is colourized and I think that's fantastic. Even my kids will sit and watch from time to time"

One of the "good ole" shows.....for those of us that remember it,,,,along with several others. Opening tunes back then.....know the show just by the music

Bonanza.
Gunsmoke
High Chaparral
The Big Valley
Wagon Train
The Rifleman
Rawhide
Maverick
Have Gun Will Travel
The Wild West
Death Valley Days .....20 Mule Team" Borax, a product mined in Death Valley
No particular order
 
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I liked Gunsmoke above all others. I think they had the very best writers money could buy and kept them throughout their long run on television plus great actors and actresses. When they brought in Fetus after Chester left that's when that series went to even a higher level.

The Big Valley was also good but not as good as Gunsmoke.
 
In the early 1970s I came upon a film crew in New Orleans shooting the Henry Fonda/Terence Hill movie “My Name is Nobody”. I struck up a conversation with the armorer and he proudly showed me his large inventory of 19th century arms. He showed me an original lever gun whose stock and barrel he had modified much like the Steve McQueen “Wanted Dead or Alive” sidearm. He said he hated performing these modifications on original guns but he was just following the orders of his boss.
 
I liked Gunsmoke above all others. I think they had the very best writers money could buy and kept them throughout their long run on television plus great actors and actresses. When they brought in Fetus after Chester left that's when that series went to even a higher level.

The Big Valley was also good but not as good as Gunsmoke.
Agreed totally ...proof was it ran for like 20 yrs. and there are so many one liners from the show..."Mr. Dillon, Mr Dillon"... gotta roll your mouth and tongue just right to say....

Who could not like Missy Kitty?
 
My two favorite old western TV shows was Gunsmoke and Bonanza... I still watch them today as they are still on TV...

Mat and Festus are my favorites...

BTW, they just played all the Gunsmoke "movies" on INSP, I recorded them to watch when I get the time...

DM
 
The character was noted for wielding a modified Winchester 1892 .44-40 lever-action rifle called the "Mare's leg".

Those sure don't look like .44-40 cartridges in his belt ... more like .45-70 or .30-30 like you said.
I can see 2 episodes of Wanted: Dead or Alive every morning between 7 & 8:00. I noticed that Josh's cartridge belt never has missing rounds no matter how much he shoots. :p
 
Wanted Dead or Alive, The Rifleman, my two favorites because it starred the Winchester.!
Josh Randall and Lucas McCain sure knew how to handle them too! ;)
 
The long .30-30 cartridges on his belt are not .30-30. .45-70's with semi-jacketed bullet that didn't exist in the 19th Century either. One must remember that nothing in TV or movies is real. All of 'em were filmed inside with a few location shots from around the Hollywood hills.
Josh's cartridge belt never has missing rounds because they won't fit in the firearm. Big cartridges look better on TV. Gun shot sounds are not from blanks either. Movie types don't think they sound real enough.
 
The long .30-30 cartridges on his belt are not .30-30. .45-70's with semi-jacketed bullet that didn't exist in the 19th Century either. One must remember that nothing in TV or movies is real. All of 'em were filmed inside with a few location shots from around the Hollywood hills.
Josh's cartridge belt never has missing rounds because they won't fit in the firearm. Big cartridges look better on TV. Gun shot sounds are not from blanks either. Movie types don't think they sound real enough.
Most gunshots in those old westerns, as well as police dramas, we're dubbed because microphones that existed back then couldn't record gunshots realistically.
 
being born in 1950 I was exposed to all those shows, and more. Back then Walt Disney produced several western based series shows, You'd get one chapter a week until the story was complete
I also remember YANCY DERRINGER, Rin Tin Tin
 
Some of us black powder shooters watched Daniel Boone.
BCRider raises hand to indicate the same.....

I didn't watch any of them regularly because as a kid I generally did other things unless it was raining and I ended up stuck inside. But I particularly enjoyed Daniel Boone along with Bonanza and Have Gun Will Travel. I loved F troop too.... but that's not REALLY a western in the same way that the others are. Sort of like saying that Hogan's Heros was a proper war show.
 
The Third Armored Division out of Hanau, Federal Republic of Germany in 1982 had a unit in the Division Artillery that was called "Target Acquisition Battery F". In print it was referred to as "F-TAB". Most of the rest of DivArty just called it "F-Troop".....and with good reason. At that time they had more and more serious "Command Issues" than the troop you have chosen. Fortunately the DivArty Commander was more than willing to recognize the source of much of the Battery's issues and clean house. After the CO, XO, and First Shirt were removed, a decent officer took over and even with junior officers of limited experience and very frightened experienced Senior NCOs the battery saw great improvements.

Back on topic. When I was an Infantryman in Germany in the mid 1970s my unit did not have access to English language TV and only the Armed Forces Radio Network single station for English radio. Several guys rather enjoyed walking into a room or situation and growling "Vas ist los in dieser heire Gaste Haus, Frauline Kitty?" They were so despirate for such stuff that they watched German Dubbed Gunsmoke on TV. Matt Dillions German voice actor was even lower and gravelly than Arness.

Possibly the most popular evening radio show about 1974 was a radio production of "Gunsmoke" with the same Conrad actor that played the rotund TV detective "Cannon" later.

Dressing up as cowboys and shooting C&B BP revolvers was a popular thing in Germany at the time. I got to shoot both originals and repros at my German Shooting club on Wednesday nights I could make it there. Scale model cannon got one range at least one Wednesday night a month as well, mostly .50 and .69 caliber and some VERY detailed.

Saw a terrible BP "accident" (actually just poor handling and not thinking about others) downtown in Ulm one new years. I was at a roof top bar/restaurant (which unknown to me was one of the few actual OFF LIMITS places in town) and the only other auslanders at the Penthouse were a pair of "Turks" (what Germans called all persons of middle eastern extraction and not nicely) The older of the non german workers had a Walker of Italian make he was making noise with to welcome the new year. Honestly I was amazed he was tolerated as long as he was. later I was told he was a sort of labor leader some industrialist had brought in as a guest. He appeared quite drunk. When he reloaded for the third round of "Yee-Haws' and shots into the air he managed to have the muzzle right next to the ear of a German lady of outstanding looks and changed that last part of the description by blowing loose an ear and burning of most of the hair on that side of her head. Some how the Polizi arrived before he could be hurled eight stories down to the pavement (the Polizi were appearently in the inside portion of the Penthouse while this happened on the patio.) After the Polizi hauled off the shooter and son there were some heated discussions about the problems all out landers caused that rapidly segwayed into anti US GI talk and I tried to remain very quiet at that point. Eventually someone asked my opinion and I spoke up supporting US in Europe at that time and ask how many of them spoke Russian. I was told I did an amazing job of mimicking a very bad American accent. I displayed my ID at that point and the Germans were embarrassed. My host saw I was uncomfortable and we left shortly there after.

I had a hard time explaining to Europeans during both my tours over there that Florida had Cowboys (and at that point more cows than Texas) and that there was more to the Sunshine State than Oranges and Alligators. Tropicana still called their European branch "Florida Boy" and still used the logo of the little black boy wearing a leaf skirt and a straw hat full of fruit that he held up with one hand. The guys at my gun club delighted in striking that pose and greeting me with "Florida Boy!" Never did find a good bull whip over there to show them what a Cracker Cowboy is famous for.

-kBob
 
Man, I liked all the western shows, having been born in 1947, and not getting a TV until 1957, I was a vivid fan of just about any western show that was on TV. Not to mention we used to go to the movies and watch Roy Rogers & Dale Evans, the Lone Ranger & Tonto, what about Hop a Long Cassidy and the comic books with Lash Larue, man those were the days, Not to mention Zorro which came about in the early 60's, Davy Crockett, and Daniel Boone, Rin Tin Tin. Man I could go on and on.
 
So many western actors got their starts with bit parts in Roy Rogers shows

Evidently Roy Rogers was an all-around good guy. About 10 years ago a fellow on a duck hunting forum told a story about him. This guy and his buddy had scull boats to sneak up on Pacific brant (a type of small goose). They came back into the bay with their limits. Two guys walked up to them and asked about their low sleek boats and one of them was Roy Rogers. They asked if Roy and his friend would like to go out with them and see how they could do. Roy jumped at the chance and ran back to his car to get their shotguns out of the trunk. The gun Roy used was an over/under, highly engraved shotgun that had been presented to Clark Gable. The story teller said that Roy could use his gun instead of messing up Clark Gable's gun. Roy replied that "Gable never uses it anyway and a gun needs to be shot."

They went out into the salt water and both Roy and his buddy got their limit of brant too. On the way back in, Roy sang "Happy Trails To You Until We Meet Again."

I cannot vouch for the veracity of the story teller but he was an old-timer who had no reason to lie. Even if it happens to not be completely true, I would give anything to have been there. :thumbup:
 
I'm not really into mare's leg guns but.......if I had a regular Henry rifle, I would be tempted to put the full stock on the mare's leg. Oh, I wouldn't do it, of course. But I would be tempted.
Yes, tempted.
Indeed.
 
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