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I guys, I love my lever actions, but do not have a pump.

To start off simple, I would like to get one in 22lr.

What rifle would you get? So far I have got this as a list
Browning trombone
Henry
Marlin 37
Remington 12
Remington 121
Remington 572
Savage 1914
Savage 25
Savage 29
Tarus 62
Winchester 1890/06/62
Winchester 61
Winchester 250

I have looked at a few, I do not want a rifle made of aluminium (just poor quality cost cutting) so that scratches some. I think that leaves the list at

Browning trombone
Henry not sure what the receiver is made of?
Marlin 37
Remington 12
Remington 121
Savage 1914
Savage 25
Savage 29
Taurus 62 (what is the quality like?)
Winchester 1890/06/62
Winchester 61


I would prefer an internal hammer though an external hammer isn't a deal breaker.

So far I think I would like a Winchester 61, all the ones I have seen in 22lr have been in poor condition, I found a nice one in 22 wmr, but I am not sure I want to buy into a very expensive rimfire on its way to obsolescence that cost more to feed than just about any reloaded 22 centerfire.

Any comments welcome have I missed any good pump actions?
 
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If you find a Winchester 61 .22 mag under $900 that is decent RUN for it, a .22LR same for $500 . They really are the best internal hammer pumps ever made.
 
ontarget said:
I have a Remington 121. Great rifle.
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+1 I love mine and it's quite accurate for a takedown. To address the OPs question, the Winchesters will cost you more than the others, all else being equal . Winchesters get all the respect from the collectors. Ditto for the Browning Trombone. The Remingtons are great guns and will be a little cheaper.
 
I've got a Remington Fieldmaster 572 (built in the 60s, iirc) that I picked up off a consignment rack. Came with a cheap (but totally fine) Bushnell scope. Loads of fun to shoot, and the finish on it is incredible. Only problem is the firing pin that broke in two... stamped piece of metal. Need to order a new one.
 
Im with the notion Winchester pumps are the best. Rossi internals wear out quickly after a couple years use, but there's several old Winchester 60' and 61's in constant action around the village today.
Alot of old Remingtons are out there too.
 
First rifle I ever bought was a Remington 572. Excellent rifle that has never let me down.
 
I wouldn't write off .22 mag anytime soon as it's both prolific and capable. While it does cost more to shoot the ability to add predators and larger vermin to the list makes it worth the cost particularly where heavy winds don't factor in.

As for which to get from your list it depends on the condition of what you run in to. The Savages are based on a Mossberg from the '20s which was a modified version of another rifle but some pretty solid design albeit ugly (as is the external hammer Marlin).

Winchesters and Brownings are flat out nice and the Remingtons aren't but a few steps behind. If you want an heirloom rifle you can use; this is where to spend the inheritance.

Maybe you'll be happy with a newer production Henry, especially if you decide to scope it but it won't increase in value. The receiver material is Zamak 5, composed mainly of zinc (~95%) with aluminum and copper accounting for the majority of the balance. No need to worry about strength.

I have to mention that with the multitude of .22s in all sorts of actions, there are always opportunities to pick one or more up relatively cheap so I guess I'm coming back around to that .22 Mag. as being a great choice in something rarer than the rest.
 
There are a ton of Winchester 61s in every Rock Island Auction Co. catalog. 1890, 06, and 62s as well. Even the one's not high conditioned seem to bring four figures these days. They are the best of the breed, but you are going to pay for it.
 
Skylerbone said:
I wouldn't write off .22 mag anytime soon as it's both prolific and capable. While it does cost more to shoot the ability to add predators and larger vermin to the list makes it worth the cost particularly where heavy winds don't factor in.

As for which to get from your list it depends on the condition of what you run in to. The Savages are based on a Mossberg from the '20s which was a modified version of another rifle but some pretty solid design albeit ugly (as is the external hammer Marlin).

Winchesters and Brownings are flat out nice and the Remingtons aren't but a few steps behind. If you want an heirloom rifle you can use; this is where to spend the inheritance.

Maybe you'll be happy with a newer production Henry, especially if you decide to scope it but it won't increase in value. The receiver material is Zamak 5, composed mainly of zinc (~95%) with aluminum and copper accounting for the majority of the balance. No need to worry about strength.

I have to mention that with the multitude of .22s in all sorts of actions, there are always opportunities to pick one or more up relatively cheap so I guess I'm coming back around to that .22 Mag. as being a great choice in something rarer than the rest.
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Skylerbone said:
I wouldn't write off .22 mag anytime soon as it's both prolific and capable. While it does cost more to shoot the ability to add predators and larger vermin to the list makes it worth the cost particularly where heavy winds don't factor in.

As for which to get from your list it depends on the condition of what you run in to. The Savages are based on a Mossberg from the '20s which was a modified version of another rifle but some pretty solid design albeit ugly (as is the external hammer Marlin).

Winchesters and Brownings are flat out nice and the Remingtons aren't but a few steps behind. If you want an heirloom rifle you can use; this is where to spend the inheritance.

Maybe you'll be happy with a newer production Henry, especially if you decide to scope it but it won't increase in value. The receiver material is Zamak 5, composed mainly of zinc (~95%) with aluminum and copper accounting for the majority of the balance. No need to worry about strength.

I have to mention that with the multitude of .22s in all sorts of actions, there are always opportunities to pick one or more up relatively cheap so I guess I'm coming back around to that .22 Mag. as being a great choice in something rarer than the rest.
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Thanks for the great reply, but I must disagree as to the 22wmr being a good choice when I can reload a 22hornet 218 bee 223 or even a swift for less! What can a wmr do that those cartridges can not do? The wmr to me seems an expensive nurtured 22 centerfire wannabe, granted if prices were double 22lr not 5, 6 or sometimes 7 times then I would agree a buy it.

I was considering buying the Henry thanks for that information, I am sure they function very well and that they are well made but steel is better than brass zinc or aluminum it will last a lot longer. I guess the Henry is a probably a single generation gun where as the pre 50s Winnies and Remington are true multi generation pass dowb rifles.

How do 572 stand up to use? Better than Winchester 250s? I have heard if many developing cracks.

Are Bpr22 made of steel like trombones? If I were to take a guess I would say yes as Browning whilst not always the most accurate guns from all I have seen they are well made. Can anyone confirm bpr material?
 
I would go with a Remington Model 121 Fieldmaster. It was the first .22 rifle I ever used and it was a lot of fun to shoot and to go hunting with.
 
andym79 said:
What can a wmr do that those cartridges can not do?
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Aim it at a rabbit from 100 yards away and still feed you. Aim it up a tree you're standing under to kill a squirrel. That's what. Can't even hunt those legally with a centerfire here. Should have called it .22 super or super long rifle.

I reload too, everything I shoot in centerfire in fact so I understand the quandary .22 mag puts you in but it is still very popular for a reason and, for guys like me whose only .223 is an AR, the mighty mag makes a great groundhog/coyote killer.

You don't have to buy one if it fails to serve your purpose, I'm merely pointing out what keeps it off the Dodo list.
 
caribou, while I am a diehard Winchester fan, we tried to wear out rossi pump guns in the 70s. a brick a weekend at lyman's range in conn could not do it. our family has 4 of them. finish is purpily, wood is broomstick grade but the fit up of parts is tight and they never stopped working. I still use one of them for cowboy silhouette. bob
 
I have a Winchester Model 61 that was made in 1933, the first year of manufacture. It has the attributes you want, but you're going to probably run into a lot of expense if you find a nice one. Mine belonged to my grandfather and has been valued at nearly $4,000. If you do find one you want, they're certainly nice shooting rifles. All steel of course, internal hammer like you want, and very nice build quality. They seem pretty rare these days though.
 
Decide on a budget first. You missed the Winchester M62. I think the Henry is a copy of it. There's one on Gunbroker(auction ends at 1445 today) asking $889 with no bids.
The Henrys have a zinc alloy receiver cover with steel innards. Doesn't appear to be made anymore though. Their site seems down too.
 
Depends what you want to do with it? I shoot Remington 572's in steel challenge-type shooting faster than many with semi-auto "race guns." They hold up just fine and they can be made to run very fast.
 
RainDodger said:
I have a Winchester Model 61 that was made in 1933, the first year of manufacture. It has the attributes you want, but you're going to probably run into a lot of expense if you find a nice one. Mine belonged to my grandfather and has been valued at nearly $4,000. If you do find one you want, they're certainly nice shooting rifles. All steel of course, internal hammer like you want, and very nice build quality. They seem pretty rare these days though.
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M61's can be found in great shape for under $1K -- even under $500, if one is patient.
 
I get several Rem 121's and an occasional Win 61 on consignment. If you can find one that hasn't been dragged behind a truck they would be my pick. The Henry may have an aluminum receiver. I haven't had one, but their lever rimfire is aluminum.
 
dieselchief said:
caribou, while I am a diehard Winchester fan, we tried to wear out rossi pump guns in the 70s. a brick a weekend at lyman's range in conn could not do it. our family has 4 of them. finish is purpily, wood is broomstick grade but the fit up of parts is tight and they never stopped working. I still use one of them for cowboy silhouette. bob
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I wore one about out. The action would not lock when cocked. I took it and an old 22/410 double to a gunsmith that kept them for nearly a year. After checking in with him a couple of times he told me the firing pin on the 22/410 was replaced (it had a modified nail as a firing pin, I'm fairly certain it was my great grandfather that did that), but the rossi pump could not be fixed. I took the action apart and filed/stoned a little on a part allowing it to move forward enough to lock the action when cocked. It's worked perfectly since.
 
I love the Remington 121. I've never had a Winchester 61, so I don't know how they compare.

Regarding the .22 Magnum, I like the round. I also have a bunch of .22LR and .223, but for me there is definitely a place for the .22 Magnum. Good ammo is about $9 or $10/50, but I find that I get as much enjoyment out of a box of 22 Mag as I typically do multiple boxes of .22 LR, it works for me, even from an economics standpoint. It's a sweet round, IMO.
 
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