Sen. Feinstein to introduce legislation to make owning a rifle have an age requirement of 21 yo

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She says if you have to be 21 to buy alcohol you should be 21 to purchase a rifle, just like most states require 21 to purchase a pistol.


I don’t agree with this. If an 18 year old cannot have a pistol in their home for protection their only choice is a rifle or shotgun.


Also, if you serve your military and use an M16 to protect your country you should be able to come and use an AR15 to protect your home.


I believe that anyone who joins the military should be able to drink and own pistols, rifles, and shotguns at 18. If you can take a bullet for your country you sure should be able to own a firearm and drink. If you don’t join the military you should have to wait until you are 21 to drink. I don’t care if 18 years olds in the military or not own a pistol, rifle, or shotgun.

If you’re a vet it means you can use an M16 to defend your country but not use an AR15 to defend yourself once your home even if your still in the service.



https://townhall.com/notebook/bethb...duce-legislation-targeting-the-ar-15-n2450720




Sen. Feinstein Will Introduce Legislation to Change Minimum Age Requirements for Gun Purchases

Beth Baumann | February 17, 2018

According to a press release, Feinstein said she wants to see the minimum age requirements moved from 18 to 21-years-old:
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Why not just skip 5 or 10 yrs of haggling and make it 35+ and make the exemptions include military, LEOs and, of course, politicians?
 
This is just the opening salvo from Feinstein. She's trying to see how many cosponsors she can get for this. Afterwards, more onerous things will be added. But, it's still not going anywhere. Not in this Congress.
 
Several localities in Maryland lowered the voting age to 16.

Yet Maryland upped the driving age over 16 because they claim teens weren’t responsible. The drinking age was moved from 18 to 21 for similar reasons.

Frankly I don’t care what the age is. But let’s stop the BS and pick an age when someone is an adult.

16 year olds can’t be mature enough to vote which is one of our most important liberties but not old enough to smoke, drink, or drive.

18 year old can’t be old enough to get killed and disfigured to protect our freedom, yet can’t drink or smoke legally

Again. I really don’t care what age we consider someone an adult. I do care that it’s different things to serve political purposes.

As for Feinsteins bill. I haven’t read it. But if it only set an age I’d be ok with it. What concerns me is that I’m sure it’s not a clean bill and has lots of othe anti 2nd Amendment clauses. I guess I need to go look it up and see what gem she’s really introduced this time.
 
Feinstein continually re introduces a renewal of the Assault Weapon Ban so I would expect she would eventually piggy-back that on amending the GCA Title I age limit on rifle purchase.

But isn't speculation on proposed legislation a General subject, response to proposed legislation under Activism? This probably should be moved from Legal (which is what the law is, how it is enforced, and what the courts have ruled). I suspect this will be moved at best, locked at worst.
 
Setting a higher age for buying an AR-15 would have no practical effect. There are so many AR-15's floating around that the shooters would just get them from friends and family. (After all, the Sandy Hook shooter got his from his mother, after killing her.)

Again, the horse is out of the barn regarding the AR and similar weapons. You can't remove them from society no matter how hard you try. All that such attempts to outlaw a class of weapons would do is create a thriving underground trade, in the same way as alcohol Prohibition. Can't we learn from history?
 
If anything passes, it will be a law requiring a person to be 21 to purchase a "semi-auto" weapon and I will bet if that happens it will also include shotguns. And in the political environment we have today, I'm "guessing" this could happen. I'm not for it cause it does NOTHING, and the liberals and many conservatives fail to look at the only solution that 'might" work to stop these school shootings.
 
The "If an 18 year old can join the Army, he should be able to buy a gun, buy a beer, buy a car, vote, etc." argument does not really hold water. An Army recruit's rifle, jeep, etc, all come with a Sergeant installed. Military life is, well, regimented.
Once upon a time, an 18 year old really was an adult, through with education or apprenticeship and expected to earn a living.
Now he can be classified as a child for some purposes up until age 26. Ridiculous.
I could go with a return to 21 as the age of majority.

That said, anything coming out of the Mind of Feinstein will be trapped and polluted and should be opposed.
 
Guns have been an obsession with Feinstein ever since the assassinations of Moscone and Milk. She's incapable of being objective on the issue. Same with the Washington Post since the gun suicide of publisher Philip Graham.

The most militant antigunners often become that way because of personal experiences.
 
EIB0879 said:
I was an Infantry Rifle Platoon Leader before I was 21. Age has little to do with maturity. I was 16 when I got my first semi-auto rifle (Rem 742). My step-dad bought it with my money and I never thought about shooting anything other than deer with it.
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Now now
You’re implying that PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is a factor. You and I know that goes against everything the far left believe in.
 
The "If an 18 year old can join the Army, he should be able to buy a gun, buy a beer, buy a car, vote, etc." argument does not really hold water.An Army recruit's rifle, jeep, etc, all come with a Sergeant installed. Military life is, well, regimented.
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There's a Sergeant for every recruit? Talk about top heavy management.o_O:D

But seriously, how many 10s of thousands of 18-20 yr olds are in combat situations that don't have a Sergeant within 100 yards to help them make decisions when there bullets flying inches over there head?


I think it holds a lot of water in the sense that theres about 16-19 million 18-20 yr olds that are expected and relied upon to be able to make life or death decisions that affect theirs and others life and liberties, be tried as an adult, to vote, to be able to take care of and provide for the children they are legally able to procreate and endless other examples. ....

But those same people can't be trusted to make the decision to buy a gun to protect the family we trusted them enough to have in the 1st place!?!?!?? Asinine.


Pick an age and stick to it.

If it's 21, then it should be 21 for all those things.

IMO, of course :)
 
A few things about feinstein- she is the biggest opponent to the RKBA. She's also 84, so take that for what it is. Within 2 days of it being disclosed that the Vegas shooter used a bump stock, she had a bill submitted to ban them. Think about that- 2 days. 2 days to write it up, run it through lawyers, check exact verbiage, etc. etc. etc., and then submit the final draft. It is my belief that she has an arsenal of restrictions of every type already 99% completed form (as in, change the date and electronically sign) for every known firearm, class of firearm, and accessory, and that she pulls the appropriate one out as soon as an incident occurs to avoid lag-time, and when the matter is at its most emotional tempo in order to take maximum advantage of the news cycle and exploit the "shell shocked" citizenry. While some may call this tin-foil-hat thinking, I believe it to be true based on her history and the indicators. As far as the current situation, I am surprised that it has taken this long for her to act.
 
Hokie_PhD said:
Now now
You’re implying that PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is a factor. You and I know that goes against everything the far left believe in.
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The left does not accept personal responsibility as sensible or defensible. This latest shooting event is a dream sourced from hell to push their gun control and eventually confiscation agenda. I am taking a wait and see on this one and see what develops from a political action point of view. There does need to be something done with mental illness and reporting it to the FBI for use in the NICs check. But that wouldn't have stopped any of the recent gun tragedies. Cruz wants a plea bargain.... I think the state can prove it's case without accepting a prison sentence.
 
I have no problem about a conversation regarding the age of adulthood. There is absolutely no consistency in our laws currently.

Drive at 16. Drink at 21. Vote at 18. Parents medical till 26 . . . etc.

I know it seems each generation looks at the next generation and says it’s going to hell, but it’s hard not to look at the youth on college campuses today and see children instead of adults.

Long winded, but I suppose my point is I’m open to the conversation about when are you an adult, but it should apply consistently to all things adult. I also have no issues with a merit based scale of adulthood. Age is but a number.

All that said, I’m not open to the conversation just applying to guns.
 
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Hokie_PhD said:
Yet Maryland upped the driving age over 16 because they claim teens weren’t responsible. The drinking age was moved from 18 to 21 for similar reasons.
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No...

Raising the purchase/drinking age was forced on the states by the feds who threatened to withhold federal highway funds if the states did not all fall in line...

The last two states to fall were Vermont, and Hawaii...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act
 
FL-NC said:
A few things about feinstein- she is the biggest opponent to the RKBA. She's also 84, so take that for what it is. Within 2 days of it being disclosed that the Vegas shooter used a bump stock, she had a bill submitted to ban them. Think about that- 2 days. 2 days to write it up, run it through lawyers, check exact verbiage, etc. etc. etc., and then submit the final draft. It is my belief that she has an arsenal of restrictions of every type already 99% completed form (as in, change the date and electronically sign) for every known firearm, class of firearm, and accessory, and that she pulls the appropriate one out as soon as an incident occurs to avoid lag-time, and when the matter is at its most emotional tempo in order to take maximum advantage of the news cycle and exploit the "shell shocked" citizenry. While some may call this tin-foil-hat thinking, I believe it to be true based on her history and the indicators. As far as the current situation, I am surprised that it has taken this long for her to act.
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It's not tinfoil hattery. I've seen her say that she has things prewritten and ready to be introduced.

I can't easily find that but this is taken from a WaPo article just after the San Bernardino terrorist shooting.

Feinstein’s amendment was identical to legislation she previously filed on the same topic, <snip>
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22-rimfire said:
Cruz wants a plea bargain.... I think the state can prove it's case without accepting a prison sentence.
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Open and shut -- he's going to get the death penalty. But I think he himself would be surprised at any other outcome. These shooters do these things as a form of suicide. In their minds, everyone involved -- the victims and even themselves -- is no longer a "person" but is some kind of cipher in a game. It's the ultimate dehumanization.
 
Salmoneye said:
No...

Raising the purchase/drinking age was forced on the states by the feds who threatened to withhold federal highway funds if the states did not all fall in line...

The last two states to fall were Vermont, and Hawaii...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act
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True but his point is still valid.

Feinstein supports the age of being able to make a choice to smoke from 18 to until 21.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/halfwh...bill-raise-american-smoking-age-21/211905/amp


In CA and a handful of other states it passed. She supported it in CA


They did not take away the choice for the 18-20 yr old from joining the military. I haven't even heard of that being a thought.
 
If we're gonna go down this road, then let's just do it right and make legal adulthood 21, period. Under 21, still juvenile in the justice system, not required to register for draft, can't vote, can't buy tobacco, etc. With rights come responsibilities, but it needs to work the other way, too.
 
petrel800 said:
I have no problem about a conversation regarding the age of adulthood. There is absolutely no consistency in our laws currently.

Drive at 16. Drink at 21. Vote at 18. Parents medical till 26 . . . etc.
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Actually, there is no need for consistency. One can be an "adult" for one purpose but not for another. Even under the Constitution, you have to be 25 to serve in Congress, 30 to be a Senator, and 35 to be President. There is no one age for "adulthood."

The degree of maturity required (and age is shorthand for maturity) should have some relationship to the potential harm if the trust we place in the person is abused. If an 18 year old votes irrationally, well, his vote would be cancelled out by millions of other votes. If an 18 year old misuses a gun, you could end up with scores of dead people. Seen in a vacuum, a 21-year-old age requirement for the purchase of an AR-15 seems reasonable. The problem is that it doesn't stop there.
 
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