Sig P365 9MM - First Range Trip

Interesting that you guys are bringing this up ... I started the bulk of my advanced handgun training (predominately with 1911s) when the thumbs-forward/in parallel was en vogue ... and when I transitioned to SIG P-series, I had a lot of failures to lock the slide back due to my thumb riding the slide lock/release ... I have noted that with the new sub-compacts I have to make a conscious effort to keep my thumbs away, just as I always have with keeping the pinky from "milking" the grip too.

So what I like about the P-365 is the fact that the slide stop/slide release is forward of where other SIG pistol's control levers are normally located (being located where the de-cocker is on the DA/SA pistols).

Jeb Stuart said:

However I do see that the New Sig 365 will have a MODULAR unit available in Late Spring.

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Where can we see this? I’m very interested in this gun. I want to see what changes are made in the next year or so, before I get one.

I use a revolver hold on autos and revolvers alike.

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How do you keep the slide from cutting you? Do you use a low grip with the thumb under the beavertail or frame protrusion?
I'm of the mind that whatever works for you is fine.

I often have to stop new or inexperienced shooters who take a "revolver grip" on an autoloader with the thumb up where it will get sliced if they should shoot. Sending a newbie home bloodied doesn't generally help recruit new shooters and blood is way harder on a gun than is corrosive ammo

wally said:

How do you keep the slide from cutting you? Do you use a low grip with the thumb under the beavertail or frame protrusion?
I'm of the mind that whatever works for you is fine.

I often have to stop new or inexperienced shooters who take a "revolver grip" on an autoloader with the thumb up where it will get sliced if they should shoot. Sending a newbie home bloodied doesn't generally help recruit new shooters and blood is way harder on a gun than is corrosive ammo

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My reference to a revolver hold means no thumbs forward. The thumb of my support hand is tucked over the thumb of my dominant hand, in the same manner that I shoot a revolver.

OK, if both thumbs are on the same side of the gun we are just quibbling about where "forward" points. If you have "meaty" hands premature slide lock is always a possibility and the grip on any particular gun needs to be adjusted accordingly. The "modern" two hand hold does seem to put a thumb very near the slide lock on a lot of pistols.

rskent said:

Where can we see this? I’m very interested in this gun. I want to see what changes are made in the next year or so, before I get one.

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Wait, where is the information about this?

Took mine to the range and shot my first 150 rounds through it. No failures or issues whatsoever. The 12 round mag is definitely the one I shoot the best, not a shocker. It does shoot a little low but I'm usually a 6 o'clock hold and this seems to be more of a cover the target sight. This is hands down my favorite CCW pistol and I think it will retire the Shield for me.

Mark

Those are interesting firing pin dimple shapes for sure. It almost looks like primer flow at the ends of the small protrusion on the dimple.

Is the end of the firing pin that shape (I seriously doubt it), but it looks like the case is moving up or down as the firing pin is striking the primer or something odd. I have never seen dimple shapes like that. Is the case well supported in battery?

Looks a little hot for sure, especially on the first two loads.

I am still scratching my head on those primer dimples...

I grabbed a handful of my shot brass (Magtech 115gr FMJ) from today for comparison sake...

Citadel99 said:

I grabbed a handful of my shot brass (Magtech 115gr FMJ) from today for comparison sake...

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They are interesting. Is the Firing pin over penetrating? It would be interesting to see the firing Pin. I have a new Nano and looking on the Gallaway website, they they have a after market striker that according to them will help eliminate over penitration on some soft primers. Although I have not paid attention to this, I will check it out.

It is called "primer wipe" and Sig says (for whatever that is worth) it is nothing to worry about. With respect to the gun itself, after 500+ rounds of a broad assortment from 147gr. to 90gr solid copper Underwood rounds, and a variety of handloads, I have yet to find anything that has not performed perfectly in the P365.
Knowing the way it would most likely used, I prefer to shoot it offhanded with the flat base 10 round magazine. I sold the Shield, retired my much loved PM9 and snubbies to the back of my safe and keep the Sig on my belt.

340PD said:

It is called "primer wipe" and Sig says (for whatever that is worth) it is nothing to worry about. With respect to the gun itself, after 500+ rounds of a broad assortment from 147gr. to 90gr solid copper Underwood rounds, and a variety of handloads, I have yet to find anything that has not performed perfectly in the P365.
Knowing the way it would most likely used, I prefer to shoot it offhanded with the flat base 10 round magazine. I sold the Shield, retired my much loved PM9 and snubbies to the back of my safe and keep the Sig on my belt.

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I know the feeling. I put my faithful LC9S of years into retirement after I found the Nano. 2,500 rounds of a complete assortment of ammo and different weights shot flawlessly and mild shooting. Especially hot or Plus P rounds.Not to mention the perfect size.
Glad to hear you love your Sig. While I personally am not interested in ownership as I found my dream gun, I enjoy learning about new products. In reviews such as Walkalong and others have done, you also learn about firearms and shooting in general. To include ammo etc.
Thanks to all for the reviews.

Just one question and please excuse my ignorance. But I have never heard of" Primer wipe". I did see on a MP forum something which looks similar. Also since Sig say's it is nothing to worry about, then are these swipes also seen in other Sig products?
They go on to talk about such things as stronger recoil springs etc.




I also saw something similar on the net. and they also referred to it as Firing-pin drag aka wipe - normally caused by the barrel/slide moving backwards during recoil and starting to unlock while the firing-pin is still in the forward position.

My SA XDs and My Sig P220 both leave that type of primer strike. Never has been a problem.

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I believe that type of primer wipe is common with ultra small locked-breech pistols. Probably a result of really quick timing for such a short barrel.

Well, I finally "bit the bullet" as they say and picked one up. Interesting sideline story - the LGS, a big box store, where I bought it, even though they have taken the phone numbers of many who want a 365 has a "no call" policy and a "no deposit or pre-buy layaway policy". I was told that it was in the interest of fairness. After I thought about it for a while I could seem some validity to this. But then, I don't think they should take phone numbers in the first place. Anyway, and BACK on topic, I will take this little fellow out ASAP and see how it performs. It has been a l-on-g time since I have owned a 9mm. I am curious to see how the recoil will be long term in this smallish firearm. I did get a chance to fire a friends but since he supplied the ammo I limited my shooting to 2 magazines.

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Walkalong

Well that's a bit of a game changer: a 12 round magazine in an already compact package!

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I'm not a big guy, but I can pocket carry my P365 with the 12-round mag in it. I think you'll like that one!

Oh man you guys, the absolute worst part of buying new carry guns has got to be the wait. I usually end up with the gun first, then new sights and leather trickle in, with leather being dead last. I bought my P365 back in the beginning of March, ordered leather at the same time, and it'll be another month before the holster maker gets to my order. But the P365 came with usable sights, and the P320's new sights won't be in the mailbox until tomorrow, then who knows when I can get them changed out.

I did pick up an in-stock Milt Sparks Versa-Max II for my new P320, so hopefully it does not get too oppressively hot before mid-June...

Citadel99 said:

Took mine to the range and shot my first 150 rounds through it. No failures or issues whatsoever. The 12 round mag is definitely the one I shoot the best, not a shocker. It does shoot a little low but I'm usually a 6 o'clock hold and this seems to be more of a cover the target sight. This is hands down my favorite CCW pistol and I think it will retire the Shield for me.

Mark

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This has been my experience with Sigs so far. Sig did tell me their #8/#8 sights are regulated for combat/frame hold (front sight dot occluding the target). I absolutely love the P365. I've been carrying for about ten years, and I have owned several subcompact guns in that time frame, but every single one of them had something I didn't like about them, except for the P365. The P365 even came with good sights right out of the box, the only gun I've owned where I didn't immediately replace the sights.

Walkalong said:

Mine has retired my Shield.

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I sold my Shield a while ago, but the P365 fills the niche it once had. I liked the ergonomics on it so much that I replaced my G19 in the mid-to-full-size range with a P320 compact frame/full-length slide variant.

I might have missed it somewhere and I haven't seen one in person yet. Is the frame of the P365 stainless? If so how does the polymer grip attach? Is it removable/changeable from the frame?


Sig lists the specs as stainless frame and polymer grip.

http://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-nitron-micro-compact.html


SPECS
CALIBER
9mm Luger

ACTION TYPE
Semi-Auto

FRAME SIZE
Micro-Compact

GRIP TYPE
Polymer

FRAME FINISH
Nitron

FRAME MATERIAL
Stainless Steel

SLIDE FINISH
Nitron

SLIDE MATERIAL
Stainless Steel

ACCESSORY RAIL
SIG Rail

TRIGGER
Striker

TRIGGER TYPE
Standard

BARREL LENGTH
3.1 in (78 mm)

OVERALL LENGTH
5.8 in (147 mm)

OVERALL WIDTH
1.0 in (26 mm)

HEIGHT
4.3 in (109 mm)

WEIGHT
17.8 oz (500 g)

Walkalong said:

It appears to be "pinned" in. By the slide stop up front and a pin in the back. Looks like it would pop up out of the "grip" if those two things were removed.

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Thanks. If you ever remove it, please show us a photo.

My first 365 experience today went fairly well, I used some primo ammo so the recoil was noticeable but not harsh. I really shot for function rather than accuracy. My groups at 15 feet were palm sized w/ fingers spread. Not too bad for an initial foray. Just for function I tried one magazine of each ammo, Fiocci and Sig Sauer ala rapid fire. No problem. It was hard to fully load the new magazines even with a speed loader - new springs I guess. I did note that when I thought I had expended all the ammo, carry over from my G-42, I had rounds to go - very nice. It felt sometimes as if the magazine was going to drop out in mid shooting but that didn't happen. The slide failed to open on the last shot one time. I don't know why but I am not concerned about it. After more shooting and familiarity and the arrival of my Vedder holster I will try it out in the pocket and see how it carries. That was my intended purposes for buying it. All in all, a great first outing. I read about this problem and that and almost expected a problem. None yet. hank you Sig.