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Glock leg from a Mossberg gun?
Mossberg enters the handgun market
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Sovblocgunfan
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That’d be MOCKBERG Leg.
I was a bit hard on Mossberg. This might be a good replacement for SR9C. Mossberg is going to give Ruger run for the money. I admit that does not upset me.
Jeb Stuart
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Just curious, what bad feature are you referring to?
I know a guy right now that is wishing his Glock had, had a Cross Bolt safety. Good Friend, retired military Armorer. Glock Fanboy. Bullet entered his upper hip, traveled all the way down his let, the hollow point tearing the hell out of flesh. Lucky to be a live.He says he just missed his femoral. Might have some pics soon.
Yep, might just get me one with a crossbolt safety.
Glockula
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External safety. And the cuts in the slide. I see a lot of comparison to G43 but one thing that has endeared me to another brand is the lack of gadgety doo dads for lack of a better term. 33 parts total on a Glock. I bet the Mossberg has more.
More things to catch on the draw.
Jeb Stuart
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External safety? but that is OPTIONAL. The cuts in the Slide? That actually might be a good thing, I do not know until I try it, Yes, I am endeared to another brand as well, and lack of gadety is a great benefit. But to tell you the truth, I do not see many here. The 365 has a really beefy take down lever. Thankfully you do not see this here. But thank you for your post Glockula.
Trey Veston
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My dad has a Ruger EC9s that he loves. They are solid guns. He and I shot three subcompact pistols side by side one day down at the cabin and the Ruger had the most agreeable trigger of the three, and felt pretty good, but it was the most inaccurate and finish was the most crude. Other two were a SA XDS and Taurus G2c...
It's the grain structure that shows through the slide finish that is off putting. To me. But, the Rugers work and have outstanding customer service. Heck, I worked for Ruger in their Prescott, AZ plant for a few months. Every new worker has to take an aptitude and intelligence test. The lowest scorers get put in the finishing department and spend ten hours a day on buffing wheels. No thanks. I got placed on a CNC machine making SR9 trigger bars, sights, and P89 slides.
JeeperCreeper
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I think it's neat. Since Mossberg is a household name, I expect a fair success as long as it functions well.
I like the takedown method for cleaning. Great for a ccw, bad for a combat weapon. Good thing I don't plan on storming Normandy with it.
But.... Still don't know if I'd take it over a Ruger EC9 for the price.
I like the takedown method for cleaning. Great for a ccw, bad for a combat weapon. Good thing I don't plan on storming Normandy with it.
But.... Still don't know if I'd take it over a Ruger EC9 for the price.
Jeb Stuart
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Yes, I think that is cool that it is using "the readily available mags and Sig sights." Makes it easy for the buying public. I have a feeling Mossberg really spent a long time putting this gun together, thinking about every angle to make a great gun. Seems to be running great right out of the box.
LC9S- I retired mine after many years of service. Nice gun and very accurate for me. But I really became leery of such a light trigger. It is when I decided to retire the gun and move on to a double action. I have always thought the LC9 had a cool look. Nice gun but snappy.Liked the slim profile. Mine has Tru Glo sights.
I see Ruger has discontinued the SR9. That is a shame, one of the better Rugers out there. I think the LC9 will be next.
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The new Mossberg is too expensive for an experiment in the market. You will be able to buy the new compact Glock 43X and 48 single-stack 9's for a few bucks more. Sorry Mossberg, stick to your shotguns.
Jeb Stuart
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Lol, Get real. Seems you have inside knowledge the rest of do not have. The last time you posted, you bashed a Mossberg shotgun, which was totally unnecessary. Nice hat.
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Fine Figure of a Man
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If this pistol turns out to be half as good as Jeb thinks it is I'm buying a dozen of them.
Jeb Stuart
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I never said it was going to be good. If fact if you have read the post, I have said it might be a flop or a success. I also said I want to try the pistol out before I make any judgements. You have made enough comments to show you want this gun to fail. Why I don't know. Why don't you wait and test fire the gun? I also said, I want to see the gun broken down. I do not want a aluminum chassis. If it is and I will quote "All Bets are off"If this pistol turns out to be half as good as Jeb thinks it is I'm buying a dozen of them.
I would also bet that Mossberg knew they would be getting a lot of heat from Glock fans before they released. Something tells me they covered their bases.
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Jeb Stuart
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This is coming From a guy that brags because He " Attended" a SIG Armorers Class. Not hard to figure out with the Pompous HAT and poised with the shotgun over his back and his negative comment toward a Mossberg shotgun in a earlier post where all this is coming from. Not worth paying attention. Probably has a fake Rolex.
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Fine Figure of a Man
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I don't want it to fail and meant no offense in my comment referring to how excited you seem to be about the pistol. If I have to bet one way or another I have to say it is not going to do well competing against the EC9 or the Shield that cost much less. On the other end for just a little more money there is the Glock 43 which sells very well because it's been around a while, has a good rep and simply because it's a Glock. It also may look like too little too late compared to the Sig 365 with its higher capacity.
I'll be surprised if the cross bolt safety is a big hit but who knows? Bottom line is it's just $450, probably $399 before very long. Buy one and give us a review.
Jeb Stuart
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Yes, I am excited, simply because I really get into the engineering of small guns. I saw your comment that they are not your cup of tea and that is fine. Some folks like tactical guns, some single action revolvers and on and on. As far as purchasing one, I doubt it, at least not in the Near future. As I mentioned, I am more than happy with my Current Micro 9mm and feel it will out live me. That said, I shoot the hell out of it and may wear it out some day, but I doubt it.
One thing I do not like personally about the Mossberg is the fact that it is 6.1 OAL. I would have liked Mossberg to have a shorter gun but that is just me. And as I mentioned, I have moved away from light Crisp striker fired pistols and prefer double action.
Every one has a style of gun that floats their boat. Shotguns, (which by the way, Seems to be quite a number of the Shockwave style guns coming to town.) 1911's, the revolver are becoming popular. I enjoy reading about all of these guns. I think the Mossberg is exciting for a lot of reasons.
That said, I love pocket pistols. Some folks my get excited about a Custom 1911.I get excited every time I pick up a Beretta Pico. I am always amazed at the creativity, the quality etc in such a small package. I have no idea what gun you marvel at, but I am sure for what ever reason, you have one as well. My Brother is a CZ fan boy, my Dad was a 1911. Just the way the world turns.
I am also very interested in the Grand Power P11, would love to shoot the Bond Arms (Boberg) pistols. Yes, I get excited by all of these.
One thing I do not like personally about the Mossberg is the fact that it is 6.1 OAL. I would have liked Mossberg to have a shorter gun but that is just me. And as I mentioned, I have moved away from light Crisp striker fired pistols and prefer double action.
Every one has a style of gun that floats their boat. Shotguns, (which by the way, Seems to be quite a number of the Shockwave style guns coming to town.) 1911's, the revolver are becoming popular. I enjoy reading about all of these guns. I think the Mossberg is exciting for a lot of reasons.
That said, I love pocket pistols. Some folks my get excited about a Custom 1911.I get excited every time I pick up a Beretta Pico. I am always amazed at the creativity, the quality etc in such a small package. I have no idea what gun you marvel at, but I am sure for what ever reason, you have one as well. My Brother is a CZ fan boy, my Dad was a 1911. Just the way the world turns.
I am also very interested in the Grand Power P11, would love to shoot the Bond Arms (Boberg) pistols. Yes, I get excited by all of these.
That sort of thinking is fairly uncommon. Often times it seems like some companies won't admit that other companies have a good thing going for them and just go with it (use the same mags or sights or triggers groups or whatever) to make it easier on the buying public (and make more money for themselves in the long run).
I personally didn't like the LC9 because of that snappiness.
Too many other guns out there that are the same size that aren't.
Yeah, I think it's a mistake discontinuing the SR9.
Jeb Stuart
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If I am not mistaken the L9S was one of the first guns in that size (micro9mm). At least to make that size popular. I had the original model with the long trigger. Later bought the LC9s. And a whole lot of ammo through that gun. Mine was very reliable, shot well, accurate for me, but yes, a lot of Muzzle flip or snappiness. I always thought it had a very cool design. Thin etc Still do. It also had worked into a very light trigger. Mine is around 4lbs of pull. It is the gun that sent me on the search for a new Micro9mm. Ended up with a smooth mild shooter, and more importantly made me understand that I actually like a double action trigger especially for carry.. One reason that would keep me from buying the Mossberg as nice as it seems. I did replace the sights on the LC9S with Truglo sights, which I can't get from my present carry. I really like those sights.
I am really looking forward to see what Ruger comes out with. Personally not impressed with any other their recent semi's. Having about 5 Rugers now, I feel they are moving in different direction from the Past with semi's. I hope I am wrong, but just a hunch.
I also think that they are phasing out the SR9 is that it is too expensive to produce. I think the masses of buying public are not concerned if the gun has a lot of steel or a lot of aluminum. I am guessing that aluminum is cheaper to manufacture
For myself, I am not interested in a "Budget" gun. Not saying some are not very good deals. I think that the Taurus G2 might be one of those, but I really do not know much about them. .
A Ruger LC9S is IMO a good buy, esp. if you like a very light trigger that breaks fast. Just not for me any longer. But I still like to take it too the range.
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The folks who are saying why buy the Mossberg when the Glock is just a few bucks more are using bad numbers. The Mossberg is listed for $350 on some of the big retailers and will probably drop to $300-325 after the hoopla settles down. On the other hand Glock 43 retails for $450 and is the most expensive single stack subcompact.
Jeb Stuart
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I have always wondered why Glocks seem to be more expensive. They are Mass Produced, have not or seem to not change much and touted as fewer parts. You would think they would be the least expensive of all the guns made in the same class. And It seems to me Glock do not hold the same esteem as they use to. It is almost as if they have ridden the crest to the point that they are taking a natural turn down . Could this be because of the vast amount of nice guns that have come across the board in the past 10 years? Nice gun, but just becoming old news to the Public? The Stigma that some may give the gun after losing to the Sig in the Military contracts? I use to try and pay attention to them. I remember going to guns shows, they would have large tables full of Black guns, and a lot of shoppers around those tables. Now, still a lot of Black Guns, but few shoppers,, the steak is still there, but the sizzle had gone.
Do folks really want to pay $450.00 for a nice gun, when they can pay $150.00 less for a gun that is equally as nice, has as much quality and shoots as well if not better. Time changing all things.
After writing this, I saw this article, Another persons perception of the same thing.
The Decline of Glock
https://www.survivalboards.com/2017-02-06/the-rise-and-decline-of-glock/
Do folks really want to pay $450.00 for a nice gun, when they can pay $150.00 less for a gun that is equally as nice, has as much quality and shoots as well if not better. Time changing all things.
After writing this, I saw this article, Another persons perception of the same thing.
The Decline of Glock
https://www.survivalboards.com/2017-02-06/the-rise-and-decline-of-glock/
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lg&m
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The Mossberg comes with steel sights and one 7 round mag so add those upgrade to the cost of the Glock also.
I am pretty sure Glock is not hurting from the loss of the US Military Contract. I physically see Glocks in holsters of Police and Military worldwide. With exception of Germany, as they sure seem to like their HK's.
If we look at the last BATFE Manufactures data for 2016 *Last full report
You will see the biggest Pistols manufacturing #'s
S&W - 1,429,451
Ruger - 902,437
Sig - 580,588
Glock - 368,140
Kimber - 220,804
SCCY - 160,676
Taurus - 125,418
Also from the last full report on Import Export data.
In 2017 we Imported 1,198,740 pistols from Austria... Granted Glock is not only manufacture from there. But I guarantee that number is mostly their guns.
Jeb Stuart
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I think you are missing the point. I doubt Glock is hurting. Not trying to say they are. And NOT saying they make a bad gun, they don't. Just that the public popularity has waned. And if so, does not really mean much, because I never believed most popular meant a damn thing. Advertising, Marketing alone can make a gun a hero. And some manufacturers do not advertise much at all. Quite content to just make a great product and let the internet and gun rags be dammed.
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Totally agree, but I also understand the flipside of a company wanting to make money on magazines. A balancing act to be sure.
As a consumer I love interchangeability of magazines as a business owner I can understand the desire to make a profit.
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