"Off-brand" handgun that's been really good for you

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I have some nice S&W's and Sigs and Colts and so forth that are great handguns, totally reliable, and really good shooters. That's not surprising.

Occasionally I'll buy a cheap or little-known or much-disparaged handgun just because it was such a good deal... kind of a gamble and/or a lark. Some of them were junk and a waste of money, albeit not much money. A few of them have turned out to be good solid shooters.

Maybe you've had similar experiences?


I don't think that Tanfoglio, RIA, or Charter Arms count as "off-brand" for a lot of shooters these days, but here are some less common ones:


I bought a Rossi 38 snub in 1990 or so, and it was a lemon. I heard plenty of bad things about them, and decided they weren't for me. Then I ran across this little five-shot 44 special Rossi revolver. I decided to take a chance. My goodness it's a terrific shooter. The trigger is excellent. I shoot it very well (by my standards). Everyone who shoots it likes it. It's one of my favorite handguns. I wasn't surprised to find out later that this particular model, the 720, has something of a cult following.

This is a true story: I celebrated my Irish heritage too thoroughly late on a Saint Patrick's Day night, and had a bizarre dream that I'd bought a pink handgun online. In the morning I discovered that it was no dream. I'd ordered a pink polymer CZ75 compact copy made by a Turkish company called SAR. (It was $239 or something like that.) After I picked it up at my LGS a few days later, I took it to the range. It shot very well for me, fit my hand well, was accurate, etc. I really liked it. I took it to the range a few more times and enjoyed it very much. Then "tragedy" struck: my friend at the LGS offered to trade me something I really wanted (a 629, IIRC) if the SAR was part of the deal. I went through with it, but soon afterwards found a similar price on a stainless version of the same SAR and bought it. It shoots just as nicely as the first one.

I read a post or something about Miroku revolvers from Japan and apparently remembered the positive statements. I ran across a nice-looking Miroku on GB a few weeks later and "risked" a bid of... $170-something. I won the revolver, and it's a nice one. It's the size of a S&W K-frame and looks a lot like one, though the cylinder unlocks like a Colt. The trigger is great and it's a very good shooter. It seems very well made. My friend tells me that Japanese LEO's used to be armed with them. It's one of the best 2" snubs I've ever shot.


A few years back a lot of the surplus places were selling Star Super B's for a little over $200. I'd read about Stars, but had never handled or fired one. I read that they were like a 9mm 1911, but with no grip safety and locked up like a Browning Hi Power. What the heck, I rolled the dice. It sure did look and feel well-made. It had barely been shot before. I took it to the range with my FiL, who is a tough sell, and we both liked it a lot. It's a heavy steel pistol that's accurate and has very little recoil. My FiL liked it so much that he ordered one for himself within a day or two. His turned out to be unfired! The recoil is so mild that it's the first 9mm pistol my daughter ever wanted to shoot. She was maybe 11 or something. She shot it, laughed, and said that the recoil was "Lame Dad, really lame. I thought 9mm would jump or something." :)


When I was young and didn't know anything (other than that I knew EVERYTHING) I bought a copy of the Browning Hi Power that was made in Hungary by a company known as FEG. I've had that pistol since 1988 or so, and it's still a good shooter. Eventually FEG went out of business. About five or six years ago a lot of the surplus places were selling little 32acp FEG pistols that were more or less copies of the Walther PP. They were a little over $200. What the heck, my other FEG was a good one. Wow, the little 32 was great. It fit my hands very well, had a nice trigger, pointed naturally, was accurate and a joy to shoot. It has an aluminum frame, so it's light and easy to handle. Somehow my FiL talked me out of it, so I just ordered myself another one.
 
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Rossi 971 4in 357 mag. Wish I would have kept it. Thing was a tank. 10,000+ rounds not a single hiccup. Paid $250.00 in 2006 sold it for same amount a few years later.
 
Bersa Thunder 380. Bought it used in 2008, after a 18-year gun hiatus. I don't think I'd even heard of them before, but I was wanting something like the PPK/S I'd had long prior. I can't say enough good about this gun.

TISAS Zig 1911A2 "GI-type." Very solidly-built and nicely-finished in a durable Parkerize. Haven't shot anything but cheap FMJ through it, but it all ran quite well.

Kel-Tec P32. Every time I handle it, I'm still impressed with what the maker accomplished with this package, one that rocket-launched the designs and selection of capable pocket pistols available in the years since (I also have a PF9 that has been very reliable.)
 
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I have some nice S&W's and Sigs and Colts and so forth that are great handguns, totally reliable, and really good shooters. That's not surprising.

Occasionally I'll buy a cheap or little-known or much-disparaged handgun just because it was such a good deal... kind of a gamble and/or a lark. Some of them were junk and a waste of money, albeit not much money. A few of them have turned out to be good solid shooters.

Maybe you've had similar experiences?


I don't think that Tanfoglio, RIA, or Charter Arms count as "off-brand" for a lot of shooters these days, but here are some less common ones:


I bought a Rossi 38 snub in 1990 or so, and it was a lemon. I heard plenty of bad things about them, and decided they weren't for me. Then I ran across this little five-shot 44 special Rossi revolver. I decided to take a chance. My goodness it's a terrific shooter. The trigger is excellent. I shoot it very well (by my standards). Everyone who shoots it likes it. It's one of my favorite handguns. I wasn't surprised to find out later that this particular model, the 720, has something of a cult following.

This is a true story: I celebrated my Irish heritage too thoroughly on late on a Saint Patrick's Day night, and had a bizarre dream that I'd bought a pink handgun online. In the morning I discovered that it was no dream. I'd ordered a pink polymer CZ75 compact copy made by a Turkish company called SAR. (It was $239 or something like that.) After I picked it up at my LGS a few days later, I took it to the range. It shot very well for me, fit my hand well, was accurate, etc. I really liked it. I took it to the range a few more times and enjoyed it very much. Then "tragedy" struck: my friend at the LGS offered to trade me something I really wanted (a 629, IIRC) if the SAR was part of the deal. I went through with it, but soon afterwards found a similar price on a stainless version of the same SAR and bought it. It shoots just as nicely as the first one.

I read a post or something about Miroku revolvers from Japan and apparently remembered the positive statements. I ran across a nice-looking Miroku on GB a few weeks later and "risked" a bid of... $170-something. I won the revolver, and it's a nice one. It's the size of a S&W K-frame and looks a lot like one, though the cylinder unlocks like a Colt. The trigger is great and it's a very good shooter. It seems very well made. My friend tells me that Japanese LEO's used to be armed with them. It's one of the best 2" snubs I've ever shot.


A few years back a lot of the surplus places were selling Star Super B's for a little over $200. I'd read about Stars, but had never handled or fired one. I read that they were like a 9mm 1911, but with no grip safety and locked up like a Browning Hi Power. What the heck, I rolled the dice. It sure did look and feel well-made. It had barely been shot before. I took it to the range with my FiL, who is a tough sell, and we both liked it a lot. It's a heavy steel pistol that's accurate and has very little recoil. My FiL liked it so much that he ordered one for himself within a day or two. His turned out to be unfired! The recoil is so mild that it's the first 9mm pistol my daughter ever wanted to shoot. She was maybe 11 or something. She shot it, laughed, and said that the recoil was "Lame Dad, really lame. I thought 9mm would jump or something." :)


When I was young and didn't know anything (other than that I knew EVERYTHING) I bought a copy of the Browning Hi Power that was made in Hungary by a company known as FEG. I've had that pistol since 1988 or so, and it's still a good shooter. Eventually FEG went out of business. About five or six years ago a lot of the surplus places were selling little 32acp FEG pistols that were more or less copies of the Walther PP. They were a little over $200. What the heck, my other FEG was a good one. Wow, the little 32 was great. It fit my hands very well, had a nice trigger, pointed naturally, was accurate and a joy to shoot. It has an aluminum frame, so it's light and easy to handle. Somehow my FiL talked me out of it, so I just ordered myself another one.
Stars are very underrated. Yes cheap but built like a tank. Heavy but comfortable. I have 7 of them and love them all.
 
I've had good luck with all my Llamas. Especially nice are the 1966 .22LR Especial, a locked breech .380 Especial and a govt size 9mm that is as smooth as butter and as accurate as any gun I own, I am also a fan of Star pistols.
Another favorite is the Phoenix HP22a, as mentioned previously.
 
I had a Taurus PT1911 that was dead nuts reliable, and pretty accurate. Gave it to my son when he turned 18. Been trying to get him to sell it back to me last couple years since he went to carrying a .40 cal Glock to match the ones at his dept. No dice.
 
I like Taurus pistols. There I said it. I have a PT145, supposedly one of their worst, that I carry the most. I also have a PT1911AR; I replaced the MIM guts with better quality stuff, after 13 years of fairly heavy shooting. I also had a Hi-Point JHP .45 that was a good solid shooting gun. I bought it for my son to have his 'own' .45 when he was about 13. He eventually traded it towards an 1100.
 
I am always one to roll the dice on a cheap gun that seems well made. I got a Phoenix hp22 at 15yrs old and still have it... the frame rails are wore completely out now.

I had a Jennings j9 that was superbly reliable until it killed itself. I bought it “as is, broken firing pin” for $40 and when I got t the truck with it I pulled the obviously not broken firing pin out and slipped off the plastic sleeve that was the loaded chamber indicator that was chemically swollen and was jamming it up. 4000 rounds or so later it jumped full auto and i couldn’t keep it from being FA. My friends couldn’t either. Took us another thousand rounds or so to quit trying to fix it... it went on the chop saw with a shot out barrel, and constantly jumping full auto. I kinda miss the ugly and heavy gun, but I have better filling that role now.

Arminius HW3. Wonderful little 22 snub except for 1 chamber that shoots funky and shaves lead. Simple fix, wooden dowel driven into the chamber keeps it from being loaded. The rest work as intended.

RG 32swl. I would never spend actual gun money on an RG unless it was to help somebody out. Grandma was short on cash and asked me to drive her home after thanksgiving and being I was the only grandkid that wasn’t looking for a handout she asked me if I wanted to buy her little revolver. I didn’t want to, but it was to give her the money to get a little bit in groceries and give the great grandkids some small Christmas gift. Turns out to be the best RG I have ever even heard of. It is a slow shooter which I take to mean that it likely has a rough bore and is probably letting it blow gas out the BC gap like crazy but it hits where it’s aimed very very consistently. It helps that it was grandmas, but family ties aside it’s a legit good gun. If it weren’t grandmas gun I would find a way to rebarrel it with something better.

Butler 22 derringer... nah I can’t go that far... it’s junk. Zinc barrel is shot out, but at 21 ft it hits a baseball sized target consistently. I’m gonna put a barrel liner in it and see how it does afterwards.
 
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Heritage. Have a .22 combo w/ adj sights and a .32 Mag. The .32's sights are off, but other than that the thing locks up soild, shoots .32 ACP no problemo, and groups everything really well. I'm thinking about having a smith install some adjustable sights for it even tho it'd look goofy on a bird's head grip revolver.

H&R top break .32. Shoots fine, just has a really skinny grip that was meant for the vest pocket, not target shooting.

Phoenix is good, I really, really wish they would come out with a target .32 ACP and a nice, long barrel. I'd pay $200... maybe even $250 for it.
 
I like Taurus pistols. There I said it. I have a PT145, supposedly one of their worst, that I carry the most. I also have a PT1911AR; I replaced the MIM guts with better quality stuff, after 13 years of fairly heavy shooting. I also had a Hi-Point JHP .45 that was a good solid shooting gun. I bought it for my son to have his 'own' .45 when he was about 13. He eventually traded it towards an 1100.
Taurus is one of the largest firearm companies in the word, brings in $240 million annually, and is in the top five of biggest U.S. importers... With that said, I wouldn't consider Taurus an off brand firearm company.

I reckon my only only off brand firearm I own is a Phenix Arms 22lr pistol.
 
Astra in general, A75L in 9X19mm in particular for CC. A80 in .38 Super Auto +P and A100 in .40 S&W for double stack magazine. Also .357 Magnum revolvers and one 2-3/8" barrell 44 Magnum (not stamped "Terminator").

Yes I have A400 / M1921 and A600 also. Best for a bludgeon in close combat IMO after mag is empty.

Llama just for .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum revolvers for me.
 
Never had a bad Astra gun.
Never had a bad SAR gun.
Never had a bad Tanfoglio gun.
Never had a bad Dan Wesson revolver.

Can't say the same about S&W, Colt, or Taurus, but the later Taurus ones have been very good. S&W and Colt have nothing that really interests me anymore, but the old ones are another story..
 
My Heritage Arms Rough Rider smallbore .22/.22WMR and my Phoenix Arms HP22A .22LR. Terrific little firearms for plinking.
 
Really depends on what you consider "off brands". Love my Star UltraStar. But are FM and Arcus and FN and Mauser pistols "off brand"? How about Bernardelli, Manurhin, Hopkins & Allen, Harrington & Richardson, JP Sauer & Sohns, Ortgies, Makarov or Webley?
 
I own a Star Super A along with two Firestar pistols, no problems with any of them. Years ago I saw a Llama IIIA 380, it was just so cute that it went home with me. The Llama has been surprisingly reliable and accurate compared to what you hear about Llama pistols. The other odd ball that I have is a Hungarian FEG PA-63 that has functioned fine for me.
 
I've got a Star BM I bought for crazy cheap money from an on-line vendor, shipped to my LGS. I saw a post in the "Deals" section here discussing it, and made the leap. Some initial problems, but the company exchanged it for me, and now I've got a really nice, reliable shooter that looks far better than what I paid for. Only problem is I was buying and "under the jeep seat" gun, and this looks far too nice for that....
 
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Other than one Taurus .44Spl revolver(that has been excellent), the only off brand handguns I have are a Kimel Ind. .22/22Mag SA revolver that has been shot multiple thousands of times with no issues and a Helwan Brigadier in 9mm that I bought of my SIL because he needed money. I have shot it a few times without any problems but it mostly just sits in a case.
Everything else I own are Rugers, Colts, S&W, Uberti Cimarrons, Dan Wessons, Virginian Dragoons, Springfield Armory and a single German Luger.
 
Taurus is one of the largest firearm companies in the word, brings in $240 million annually, and is in the top five of biggest U.S. importers... With that said, I wouldn't consider Taurus an off brand firearm company.

I reckon my only only off brand firearm I own is a Phenix Arms 22lr pistol.
I don't either, but there are a lot of Taurus haters on this forum, to the point that I posted the way I did. Of course, to me, Glock is an off-brand. ;)
 
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