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Deleon517

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Good morning everyone,

Looking for a little advice on what direction to look. My wife is now returning back to work, however they will be adhering to some new policies. She started out with a g19 as her carry gun, then went down to a pt111 g2 due to size and weight differences. She has been pretty happy with it as it was small enough that she could conceal with no problem and even to slip into her bag when at work. Printing or accidental exposure wouldn't be a good thing at her job.

The problem is now they aren't allowing employees to bring bags into work. My guess is to reduce the chance of employee's slipping extra gloves and mask into their bags for personal use (its a medical office). So she is in scrubs which may help with the printing concerns as they aren't form fitting or tucked in. She also won't add a belt but doesn't want something as heavy as the g2 that will drag down her pants as the day goes on.

With all that said what you all recommend we go check out at the LGS that would be smaller and serviceable? She is willing to go down to .380 size caliber but still wants to have a manual thumb safety as well? Only thing I can think of is the ruger LCP, I don't have much experience with smaller then 9mm handguns and the smallest I own is the sheild 2. Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
So she is in scrubs which may help with the printing concerns as they aren't form fitting or tucked in.
I think figuring out how to carry in scrubs would be the first question to answer. With no belt, there needs to be some other method for carry other than the most common belt holster.

A chest holster https://2aholster.com/product/litepath-chest-holster/

or a bra holster https://www.flashbangstore.com/collections/bra-holsters

Choose a method and see what holsters are available for the guns that you'd consider.
 
I think the Ruger LCP would be an excellent choice for her. It does not have a manual safety, but it has a trigger safety. That combined with the right holster makes the gun a safe EDC. I carry mine everyday and all around the house in a IWB holster. I do not like pocket holsters. Galloway precision makes a excellent holster for the gun. It has an Ulticlip which is a perfect way to secure an IWB holster with a beltless garment like scrubs. This is a link to the holster details. I also think that a manual safety when carried beltless is a handicap because to be efficiently drawn requires releasing the safety on the draw. Without a belt the rigidity is not there to support the applied force. There are millions of LCP and LCP 2 handguns in circulation. I have never seen a report of an accident with one because of the absence of a manual safety.
 
Has she ever shot and trained with a smaller gun? If not, then hopefully she can make it to a range if one is open and shoot a few. I personally would never recommend a small barrel gun like a LCP to anyone without the advice to train well with one. But that is just me and you asked for advice. If "I" were given the job under the same circumstances I would choose the Keltec P32 at 10oz fully loaded with 8 rds. of good defense ammo.
 
I think the Ruger LCP would be an excellent choice for her. It does not have a manual safety, but it has a trigger safety. That combined with the right holster makes the gun a safe EDC. I carry mine everyday and all around the house in a IWB holster. I do not like pocket holsters. Galloway precision makes a excellent holster for the gun. It has an Ulticlip which is a perfect way to secure an IWB holster with a beltless garment like scrubs. This is a link to the holster details. I also think that a manual safety when carried beltless is a handicap because to be efficiently drawn requires releasing the safety on the draw. Without a belt the rigidity is not there to support the applied force. There are millions of LCP and LCP 2 handguns in circulation. I have never seen a report of an accident with one because of the absence of a manual safety.

I think you may have just swayed me towards the lcp for her to look at plus that holster comes in purple which she will loves. It's the finer details with her that usually matter.

She has worked on turning the safety off while drawing part quite a bit. I run the G2C but never on safety. We just have different levels of confidence in our tools. In fact if she ever picks up my gun the first thing she does it put the safety on. She may just have to get used to no thumb safety like when she had the g19 in rotation
 
Has she ever shot and trained with a smaller gun? If not, then hopefully she can make it to a range if one is open and shoot a few. I personally would never recommend a small barrel gun like a LCP to anyone without the advice to train well with one. But that is just me and you asked for advice. If "I" were given the job under the same circumstances I would choose the Keltec P32 at 10oz fully loaded with 8 rds. of good defense ammo.

She has not but this also isn't our first go round at this. Yes it will be range tested prior to purchase, just as how she has done with the 2 other carry options she has currently. This is not a gun that will sit at home in a draw or safe this is something she would have with her anytime she leaves the house. Thanks for the p32 recommendation I will also look into that one with her
 
She has not but this also isn't our first go round at this. Yes it will be range tested prior to purchase, just as how she has done with the 2 other carry options she has currently. This is not a gun that will sit at home in a draw or safe this is something she would have with her anytime she leaves the house. Thanks for the p32 recommendation I will also look into that one with her

If you decide on a LCP understand that there have been three different models. The Original which is not sold any longer and the Gen2 which has a very nice DAO trigger and still sold. And the LCPll. Before purchase do some research on these triggers. Of the two I would go with the Gen 2. Nice sweet DAO. If the small guns prove more difficult then I think Gunny's recommendation of the Glock 42 might be a good choice. And note there are some 380's small guns you might want to look at as well. The Kahr for instance is well made and a very Mild shooter. And others as well.
 
I carry a LCP at work frequently. It is a nice size for easy concealment. With some dress clothes a KelTec P32 is considerably easier conceal due to its thickness and weight.

If she wants to go a bit bigger a Kahr CM9/PM9 is a very nice shooter for a small package. The Diamondback DB9 is smaller and more concealable than the CM9 while still packing a 9mm round but is not a pleasant shooter. For me the DB9 usually wins out over the CM9 due to its smaller size. I am not aware of any smaller pistols with a thumb safety... I think you would have to look at one of the minaturized 1911 style pistols but then it would need to be carried cocked and locked. It took a while to get used to carrying a pistol with no safety some 30 years ago when I purchased the CZ 27... all I can say is that I got used to it over time.

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I carry a LCP at work frequently. It is a nice size for easy concealment. With some dress clothes a KelTec P32 is considerably easier conceal due to its thickness and weight.

If she wants to go a bit bigger a Kahr CM9/PM9 is a very nice shooter for a small package. The Diamondback DB9 is smaller and more concealable than the CM9 but is not a pleasant shooter. For me the DB9 usually wins out over the CM9 due to its smaller size.

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I have the Kahr's as well and love them. I keep hoping to get to try out a Diamond Back.
 
I have the Kahr's as well and love them. I keep hoping to get to try out a Diamond Back.
The Kahr CM9 is a much nicer pistol than the DB9 in every way... except size. I enjoy shooting my CM9... after 25 or so rounds through the DB9 I don't really want to shoot it any more. I can pocket carry the DB9, the CM9 is too big for my pockets so I end up carrying the DB9 frequently and the CM9 rarely.

P.S. I should add that both my CM9 and DB9 have never malfunctioned for me.
 
The Kahr CM9 is a much nicer pistol than the DB9 in every way... except size. I enjoy shooting my CM9... after 25 or so rounds through the DB9 I don't really want to shoot it any more. I can pocket carry the DB9, the CM9 is too big for my pockets so I end up carrying the DB9 frequently and the CM9 rarely.
I figured as much. By the way, I was blessed to get the P380 last month on sale for $299. A black one to go with my Stainless steel CW. I have two Kahr CM9's
 
If she needs small and a safety, look at the Sig p238 or Springfield 911. I have a p238 and it shoots really well for it's size. It is my daily carry at the office because I can't take the chance of something printing.
 
If you decide on a LCP understand that there have been three different models. The Original which is not sold any longer and the Gen2 which has a very nice DAO trigger and still sold. And the LCPll. Before purchase do some research on these triggers. Of the two I would go with the Gen 2. Nice sweet DAO. If the small guns prove more difficult then I think Gunny's recommendation of the Glock 42 might be a good choice. And note there are some 380's small guns you might want to look at as well. The Kahr for instance is well made and a very Mild shooter. And others as well.

Will keep in mind the differences in generations when we check them out. The 42 definitely won't work due to weight its heavy more so than her current g2, but the 43x seems like it might be a fair to give it a shot. She is always naturally draw to glock.

A couple of women friends have the LCP - I don't know which variant - and they are nasty little kickers.
Strangely, my LC9S is not bad at all.
I think a Glock 42 (or 43) is the default pocket pistol but a thumb safety is wanted.

The kick may not be much of an issue for her but we shall see.

If she needs small and a safety, look at the Sig p238 or Springfield 911. I have a p238 and it shoots really well for it's size. It is my daily carry at the office because I can't take the chance of something printing.

I like the look of the p238 for something i will probably get a some point but a 1911 is not in her wheel house.
 
I think figuring out how to carry in scrubs would be the first question to answer. With no belt, there needs to be some other method for carry other than the most common belt holster.
Easy. Thunderwear. I have one I can wear under a swim trunks, nobody ever knows it's there. The ultimate concealed carry method with minimal or thin clothing. A LCP or LC9 works perfectly. Mine has three pockets; the two in front are equal size, either one will carry something the size of a LC9, and you can get two extra magazines in the other one. The third pocket is behind the front two and works as a billfold, money pocket, ID, whatever. It's light and very well made. The strap stretches some and velcro's firmly
http://www.thunderwearholsters.com/Default.asp

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The Springfield 911 is just Springfields version of the Sig P238 which is also the same as the Kimber Micro. All three are copies of the Colt Mustang 380. The Sig, Kimber, and Springfield can also be had in a 9mm version. My Sig P938 is only 2.5oz heavier than my Kel-Tec PF9 when fully loaded. The nice thing about these micro pistols is that they are pretty easy to rack the slide.

Here is a picture of the Springfield 911 (which is not a 1911)

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Here is the Sig P238

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Sounds like the OP's wife is going to be on her feet all day. In that regards ounces DO matter. Pick up a P32 at 6 1/2 oz and then at the end of the day after carrying something almost twice the weight and decide then which one you want. Dang, the little gun is So light. And for sure, it is a mild shooter. 8 fast rounds of lehigh or Underwood would be a ugly mess. And Yes, the DAO is IMO the only way to go in these small EDC guns. I love the Sig 238, but you are getting into micro9mm territory same with the Glock 42. And the trigger is great for Target shooting, but not my preferred trigger. JMO
 
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From your description your wife's problem is primarily how to carry and what to carry is secondary. Scrubs are lightweight material that don't lend themselves to CCW in a pocket or waistband.

I recommend looking hard at three options, Thunderwear as Bangswitch suggested, a bellyband holster, or kangaroo carry https://www.kangaroocarry.com/

She may need to go to a smaller, lighter gun but since she previously carried in a bag, one on the body even in a lesser caliber would probably benefit her more if accosted as she walks into or out of her workplace and if needed in the workplace is far better than a bag in another room.
 
...Pick up a P32 at 6 1/2 oz and then at the end of the day after carrying something almost twice the weight and decide then which one you want. ...

I agree. That's why I put the P32 at the front of my list. Personally, I carry a three-pound gun because I just don't care (work-from-home). But if I was in the situation described, I'm not hiding an N-frame revolver in my panties. Get an P32 and check out Claude Werner https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/ He's a credible guy, carries a P32 himself, and has relevant advice for people in the workplace that need practical options.
 
I agree. That's why I put the P32 at the front of my list. Personally, I carry a three-pound gun because I just don't care (work-from-home). But if I was in the situation described, I'm not hiding an N-frame revolver in my panties. Get an P32 and check out Claude Werner https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/ He's a credible guy, carries a P32 himself, and has relevant advice for people in the workplace that need practical options.

Love Claud Werner!!
 
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