.22 short and .25 ACP smaller pocket guns?
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aarondhgraham
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I've probably posted this picture a hundred times in threads like this,,,
But I'll do it again because of how well these mouse guns perform.
Taurus 22-PLY and Taurus 25.PLY,,,
These little gals are so dang much fun to shoot,,,
And they have proven to be very reliable as well as accurate.
It's too bad that Taurus discontinued the 25-PLY,,,
I have a friend who loves mine and keeps bugging me to sell it to her.
Ain't gonna happen!
Aarond
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But I'll do it again because of how well these mouse guns perform.
Taurus 22-PLY and Taurus 25.PLY,,,
These little gals are so dang much fun to shoot,,,
And they have proven to be very reliable as well as accurate.
It's too bad that Taurus discontinued the 25-PLY,,,
I have a friend who loves mine and keeps bugging me to sell it to her.
Ain't gonna happen!
Aarond
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I ride my bicycle to work every day that there are no ice worries (my current commuter bike has 27.5 and there are no studded road tyres for it, I am thinking of switching to 26 just because of this). That said, I work in a gun-free zone, so I don't carry to and from work. However, when out running errands I typically carry.
Back when I was Mountain Bike racing, living in Northern California/Jefferson State I had an interesting Mt Lion spotting. Enough so that I had my Makarov out of my pack and in my hand, no excitement ensued and we both eventually went on our way.
scaatylobo
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I own and shoot
Seecamp .32
Beretta .25 950
Bauer .25
NAA .22 magnum
NAA .22 LR
2 HighStandard o/u .22 magnum derringers
and about 4 other o/u derringers in .38,32,9mm
And they all get a place in my pocket during a 2 year period.
It gets REALLY cold in winter and with my coat done up [ yea,that cold ] I cannot reach my primary weapon.
So I train to shoot from hand in pocket [ yes holster ] to target at usually 5 feet or less.
ALL will put all rounds in a 3" group at 5 feet,that is in my humble opinion good enough to stop at attacker.
In time to reach my primary = if still required.
The .25 auto is under rated IF all shots are at a place that counts.Especially if you dump 9 rounds in .
Seecamp .32
Beretta .25 950
Bauer .25
NAA .22 magnum
NAA .22 LR
2 HighStandard o/u .22 magnum derringers
and about 4 other o/u derringers in .38,32,9mm
And they all get a place in my pocket during a 2 year period.
It gets REALLY cold in winter and with my coat done up [ yea,that cold ] I cannot reach my primary weapon.
So I train to shoot from hand in pocket [ yes holster ] to target at usually 5 feet or less.
ALL will put all rounds in a 3" group at 5 feet,that is in my humble opinion good enough to stop at attacker.
In time to reach my primary = if still required.
The .25 auto is under rated IF all shots are at a place that counts.Especially if you dump 9 rounds in .
TTv2
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Since we're talking .22 Short here does anyone have an objection to carrying a .22 Short pocket gun? I have had an interest in something like the Beretta Minx solely because shooting it costs 1/3 what it costs to shoot .25. Both .22 Short and .25 are underpowered, but whether I had a .22 or a .25 the target I'd be aiming at is someone's head and throat and I doubt that .25 will have much more of an effect than .22 Short would.
And yeah, I know it's rimfire, but I seldom have issues with .22 Short or LR not firing, not like I do .22 Magnum.
This is mostly a semi auto question, for revolvers I can't see a reason to ever buy a .22 Short only. I know NAA has one, but it's not much smaller than their .22 LR, so I don't see an advantage.
And yeah, I know it's rimfire, but I seldom have issues with .22 Short or LR not firing, not like I do .22 Magnum.
This is mostly a semi auto question, for revolvers I can't see a reason to ever buy a .22 Short only. I know NAA has one, but it's not much smaller than their .22 LR, so I don't see an advantage.
chicharrones
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My curiousity has had me want the NAA mini in .22 short and the Beretta 950 in .22 short. There is .22 short ammo out there with claimed rifle velocities matching .22 LR standard velocity ammo. Plus, I like shooting .22 short out of my Ruger Bearcat Shopkeeper due to the short ejection rod.
The thing that stops me from getting a .22 short in a pocket gun for carry is the velocity numbers are low, which means the muzzle energy numbers are low. Basically 700 fps and 33 fpe. Which is only about twice as powerful as what a common pellet shooting air rifle can do. https://northamericanarms.com/ballistics/ball-22s/
So, I still go back to my remaining .32 ACP pocket pistol instead (Taurus TCP 732). Which is estimated to produce figures of 780 fps and 100 fpe. All with a jacketed bullet that will penetrate deeper.
In some informal and unscientific testing between my old NAA Guardian in .32 ACP and my Beretta Bobcat in .22 LR (shown here), I still have this photo below of bullets fired into phone books. The bullet on the far right is a CB "short". The .32 didn't deform and went much deeper than any of the .22 ammo pictured even though it was fired from a short barrel, too.
If someone made a modern short cylinder "mini" revolver in .32 ACP, I'd probably buy it. Just because.
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OneFreeTexan
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I ride on the paved rail trails,,, some of them are pretty much in the boonie’s, and I have seen shady characters along some of the dirt tracks nearby,,,, My state is open carry so I carry a 38 Special snubby in a belt holster.
toivo
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I ride backroads and rail trails on a mountain bike or a hybrid. I carry either a Glock 42 or a Beretta Nano in one of these "fanny" packs":
https://www.gungear.com/concealed-carry-cordura-fanny-pack?variantId=78
I put "fanny" in quotes because I carry it on my side. If I put it in back it's virtually inaccessible, and if I put it in front it gets in the way of my riding position. So I rotate it around to my strong side. It has a quick-open zipper, so I can open the zipper and draw using only my strong hand. It's two separate motions, but it's not terribly slow.
The bag is all velcro inside, so you can get different inserts for different handguns and magazines. I also has enough zip pockets that I can carry a flip phone, a knife, my housekeys, my permit, and a little bit of cash. Be prepared!
BlueHeelerFl
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I knew Taurus made the 380 revolver, but I had mo idea that it used a smaller frame and cylinder. Interesting.
Does their snubbie 9mm uses the 38 all frame?
chicharrones
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Their older model 905s have a short frame window, but I haven't seen them made that way in in some time. https://www.genitron.com/Handgun/Taurus/Revolver/905/9-mm/Variant-8
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TTv2
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Bottom line, if you shot someone in the face with the .22 CB (which is probably as fast as what .22 Short is) do you think it would be effective? I ask because whether I had a .22 Short, LR, .25, or even a little 5 shot .32 S&W short I'd be aiming for someone's face regardless as none of those calibers have much power.My curiousity has had me want the NAA mini in .22 short and the Beretta 950 in .22 short. There is .22 short ammo out there with claimed rifle velocities matching .22 LR standard velocity ammo. Plus, I like shooting .22 short out of my Ruger Bearcat Shopkeeper due to the short ejection rod.
The thing that stops me from getting a .22 short in a pocket gun for carry is the velocity numbers are low, which means the muzzle energy numbers are low. Basically 700 fps and 33 fpe. Which is only about twice as powerful as what a common pellet shooting air rifle can do. https://northamericanarms.com/ballistics/ball-22s/
So, I still go back to my remaining .32 ACP pocket pistol instead (Taurus TCP 732). Which is estimated to produce figures of 780 fps and 100 fpe. All with a jacketed bullet that will penetrate deeper.
In some informal and unscientific testing between my old NAA Guardian in .32 ACP and my Beretta Bobcat in .22 LR (shown here), I still have this photo below of bullets fired into phone books. The bullet on the far right is a CB "short". The .32 didn't deform and went much deeper than any of the .22 ammo pictured even though it was fired from a short barrel, too.
If someone made a modern short cylinder "mini" revolver in .32 ACP, I'd probably buy it. Just because.
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chicharrones
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I'm not confident enough that I'll be able to actually hit a moving attacker in the face unless we are locked into a wrestling match and I could get one arm free to operate a firearm. At that point, I might only get a shot at the temple, not the face.
I figure if I ever went down to something that chambers .22 short for carry, I'd make sure it also chambers .22 LR and I'd honestly be using .22 LR over .22 short every time except for burning ammo at the range.
But for now, FMJ .32 ACP is my bottom level in a carry gun. Which is similar to the .32 S&W Short you mention. If Seecamp, NAA, and KelTec ever quit making pocket .32s, then I might consider a .22 of some sort again, but probably an ear crackin' .22 magnum in a revolver.
Which reminds me yet again, that I still want to add a KelTec P32 to go alongside my Taurus TCP732.
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lincen
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An earlier post mentioned the 25NAA round. This is a 32 caliber necked down to a 25acp. I had one of these handguns made by NAA and honestly it was one of the most painful handguns I've ever shot. More discomfort than the Polish P64 chambered in 9x18 Makarov. Finally sold it to a collector of NAA's along with 200 rounds of ammo. I tried it but didn't like it BUT if it were in a Kel Tek locked breach P32 size, it would have been fine.
kBob
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How about an Ortgies .25 auto? Unfortunatly that is a Japanese GO game board and not 1 inch squares, but close!
yeah I posted it before but there are new guys!
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Maybe a little something Italian?
The SATA .25 was brought back by a GI I believe in the early 60's. It belonged to our Baby sitter when I photographed it in exchange for a cleaning ….and test firing of course.
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The SATA .25 was brought back by a GI I believe in the early 60's. It belonged to our Baby sitter when I photographed it in exchange for a cleaning ….and test firing of course.
-kBob
kBob
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But if you want a more classic Italian....
Now when Dad bought it, this was a more sedate blue finish. Dad however was a sport and while I was overseas and unable to stop him he had the Chrome and gold highlights added. He liked to carry a 2 dollar bill (not that one) in the back of his wallet so he could sing "Hey, Hey, Good Looking … " to Mom and yes he had some sort of Ford all his life from 16 on. For the last few decades a 1953 50th Aniversery model convertible. As you can see from all the little dings he pocket carried the little beasty without a holster most of the time and did not bother to keep keys, pocket knives, coins or current worry stone any place else.
The $2 bill in this photo is change from my visit to Monticello, Jefferson's House, and I would bet Old Thomas and his frequent house guest James Madison would have thought it was neat that a sport like Dad carried this around in a pocket in their country.
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Now when Dad bought it, this was a more sedate blue finish. Dad however was a sport and while I was overseas and unable to stop him he had the Chrome and gold highlights added. He liked to carry a 2 dollar bill (not that one) in the back of his wallet so he could sing "Hey, Hey, Good Looking … " to Mom and yes he had some sort of Ford all his life from 16 on. For the last few decades a 1953 50th Aniversery model convertible. As you can see from all the little dings he pocket carried the little beasty without a holster most of the time and did not bother to keep keys, pocket knives, coins or current worry stone any place else.
The $2 bill in this photo is change from my visit to Monticello, Jefferson's House, and I would bet Old Thomas and his frequent house guest James Madison would have thought it was neat that a sport like Dad carried this around in a pocket in their country.
-kBob
kBob
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Just in case you do not understand how small the Bernardelli VP is
That little hole is where the very sharp cocking indicator would stick out.
Between those tiny sights, OK groove and front sight, and small size it was not the easiest gun for some to shoot, but it shot!
-kBob
kBob
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By comparison the SATA is huge, look at how two fingers fit below the trigger guard.
Sorry no in hand with the Ortgies but about this size.
that's all, Folks!
-kBob
kBob
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I lied! Found another file folder on the way out!
Beretta Model 21A when it was my EDC and a familiar $2 bill
No side view and this shooter's view shot is awful
Yes I am a large hairy man with little bitty pistols... I am secure in my manhood even with these dinky Mousers!
-kBob
Beretta Model 21A when it was my EDC and a familiar $2 bill
No side view and this shooter's view shot is awful
Yes I am a large hairy man with little bitty pistols... I am secure in my manhood even with these dinky Mousers!
-kBob
lincen
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I’ve posted this picture before of most of my 25acp pistols.
Now some 22 short handguns !
Now some 22 short handguns !
chicharrones
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I was flipping through a year 2007 Gun Annual and came across this limited run of a gun. Interesting.
http://sportsmanslegacy.com/firearm...king-book-case-booklet-signed-by-dick-casull/
https://www.rockislandauction.com/d...casull-arms-ca-2000-pocket-revolver-with-case
What are the two longer barrels pistols and how long are they?
So how come folding triggers are not used in current American produced handguns?
lincen
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"What are the two longer barrels pistols and how long are they?"
The bottom one is an Astra Camper which is an Astra Cub with a 4" (or their abouts) barrel. This Astra had the Colt Junior grips on it when I bought it.
The other is a Beretta Minx with a 3.750" barrel.
The bottom one is an Astra Camper which is an Astra Cub with a 4" (or their abouts) barrel. This Astra had the Colt Junior grips on it when I bought it.
The other is a Beretta Minx with a 3.750" barrel.
chicharrones
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Just guessing here, but . . .
For a defense gun, the trigger needs to be in a ready to go condition. Trying to unfold the trigger under stress and keeping it unfolded could be problematic.
It adds a weak point to something that will have a fair amount of stress applied to it. Especially a double action trigger that has to cock the hammer.
And, if the trigger is unfolded, it has no trigger guard which likely makes 21st century gun maker's lawyers go a bit crazy.
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