THR Remington 1858 Club

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Retreever said:
I have (2) different woods on the grips that came with my Uberti so I started looking at replacing them. Found a lot of options but one was particularly interesting, casting my own. I bought a trial kit from Smooth-On . Comes with silicone to make the mold , sealer and release sprays and polyurethane to make the parts. Here are some pics of my first effort, took about 2 hrs of my time including some fitting work post-casting but turned out not too bad.

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So still working away at casting new grips, latest is an effort to embed something to make the grips unique - still playing with the uncolored polyurethane casting material but I have ordered another kit with black coloring. Attached is my first attempt at embedding a tack pin (mapleleaf), cufflinks, anchor collar dog from my RCN days in a grip..
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I haven't been on here much the past 8 years, but I thought I'd post a picture of my 1973 Lyman Navy import, made by Armi San Paolo (ASP).

The steel is quite hard. It is harder than the steel on current imports. The bolt has put a line on the cylinder, yes, but on the 21st Century Ubertis I owned, the bolt grooved the cylinder quickly. This gun is also tighter, with tighter tolerances. I am not sure if all the ASPs were like this, or if Lyman demanded a higher standard of quality.

The gun didn't look like this when I bought it in February from a store in Pennsylvania. The gun had 99%+ bluing, except for the line on the cylinder which stood out like a sore thumb. Also, the grip panels were terribly mismatched and had been finished in an odd amber color. I wasn't sure what to do with it. I probably should have left it as is, but in the end I got out my old bottle of naval jelly, and a bottle of paint stripper, and went to work.

The naval jelly left a light patina that doesn't rust easily. I had to use black leather dye on the grips, which I then mostly removed, to make the grips look like the same wood. The dye remained in the pores, which is the effect I wanted. You can kinda see it where the sunlight hits the grip panel.

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Hi I have an 1858 Pietta .44 Cal FLUTED PERCUSSIAN CYLINDER (it's blued) that seems to be in new condition. The cylinder locking latch notches seem to be shorter and maybe a tiny bit narrower than in modern production Pietta cylinders. It does not reliably lock up (can turn cylinder by hand after lockup) or allow the hammer to be pulled back to full cock on a modern production Pietta 1858. Too long to fit Uberti but also has a bit more end shake on a modern Pietta than a properly fitted modern cylinder.

It looks like it MAYBE ? can be fitted to a modern Pietta but why mess with perfect timing and the ability of a modern Pietta to accept plentifully available modern drop in spares made with excellent tolerances just to accommodate this probably out of production hard to find one trick pony. Alerting the locking latch to make it thinner or whatever else on a modern Pietta may make the modern cylinder lock more loosely and filing the hand to a perfect size to fit both this and modern cylinders is hit and miss. I would advise against bothering with that.

Soooooooooooooooo

My guess is this is MAYBE ? from one of the older models. I want to give this this thing away FREE to someone who can use it. Can someone chime in so I can get this off my hands. I am also interested in any information just for the sake of curiosity but either way no big deal.
 
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Hey those cylinder locking latch notches on your shooters model look about the same as the ones on the fluted cylinder although from a picture I can't be sure. Do you think the one I have may be a fit?
 
grter said:
Hey those cylinder locking latch notches on your shooters model look about the same as the ones on the fluted cylinder although from a picture I can't be sure. Do you think the one I have may be a fit?
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Possibly, I can measure them and let you know what they are. If they are a fit I may take you up un that offer. Thanks.
 
Some awesome photos! I have an Uberti Remington New Army. Can I join?

Here's a pic:
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The pic shows my Uberti Remington New Model Army, loaded with 35 grains of my homemade FFFg powder, touched off with a homemade cap made with my Tap-O-Cap from a disposable roasting pan I got out of the trash at a barbecue and shooting a home-cast round ball with the chamber topped off with a 50/50 mix of beeswax and olive oil (it was hot, so I needed a fairly "stiff" lube). Because the fit of the homemade caps is not as good as commercial caps, I loaded only one chamber for my test. No light was used: the pic is a still capture from an iPad video. My experiment was written up in a 6,000+ word, four part article in Survivalblog.com, that started on Oct. 8, 2019.
 
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Tommygunn said:
WOW! That's ..... an IMPRESSIVE muzzle flash! :what:
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You wanna hear something strange? I couldn't really see it. I saw there was a flash, but when I reviewed the video at home, I was shocked. I wanted to get a good muzzle flash pic, but I had no idea it was going to look like that. I wish I'd been a little further from the iPad to catch it all. I'll betcha lots of other firearms -- like short-barreled AKs, snubby .357s, etc. -- create a flash that would be surprising to see!

I've read repeatedly that in the days of the Old West, sometimes clothing would catch fire when someone was shot at close range. I can totally believe that.
 
Shoot The Moon said:
Well, if it's good enough for the ROA and Walker guys......

Much as I admire Colt's open frame revolvers (I have two!) let's have a little fun and stand up for Eliphalet Remington & Sons product. As with the other 'clubs' the only entry requirement is that you own a '58 Remmie and that you post a picture! I'll start: here's mine, it's a Euroarms copy made in 1974.

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I have a pietra 1851Confederate and a 1858 Remington also pietra and I have a Colt 2nd generation 1851 Navy with all matching serial numbers can I join your 1858 club because honestly its my favorite I had a tradition 1858 Remington target in stainless it was a joke the adjustable sights couldnt be adjusted low enough to make it accurate so I sold it lost some money and moved on my pietra 1858 with fixed sights is accurate and very reliable ive left it loaded for 6 months and it fired every round first try
 
stephen cockerham said:
who is PR I have an 1860army made by them 44 cal
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"PR is a mark used by Italian arms maker Officina Meccanica Armi Riva Esterina & Co for his black powder replicas line. Riva Esterina also used the DART mark for another line of guns. The PR marking is to be found on replicas made from 1971 or 1972 up to 1979 or 1980. The PR line was imported into the USA and sold there by EIE, FIE, EIG and other importers." --->>> posted on Facebook by Dennis Norton

I had previously researched another stamp named DART by the same maker and learned that the outfit was located in Brecia, Italy.
They produced a Zuoave rifle and a brass frame Remington.
A now you have an 1860.
Is yours a steel or brass frame?
Note that the meaning for the Italian word "Riva" is not literally a river as I previously posted, but it means "Shore" or "Bank" like a river bank.

1. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/zouave-goodness.370335/#post-4599070
2. SEE POST #6 https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/anyone-heard-of-drake-guns.339009/
 
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This is the one that got me addicted to C&B revolvers. Pietta 1858 Remington NMA. 6 years and a few thousand rounds later, it has a few dings and scratches but it still shoots like a champ!
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The rain tried to stop me, but I spent the day with these two and shot til I ran out of powder!

I've had the Uberti back from being tuned up for almost two months and have been antsy since to see how it shoots. The bronze one is a newcomer, but first time I took it out I found the nipples were way oversized for any cap I had, couldn't shoot it. New nipples from t.o.w. in it now and alls well.

Good day even with a few sprinkles between.

And a picture...
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Old Stumpy said:
Those brass or bronze frame Remingtons sure are purdy, and it's unlikely that standard loads will cause the one-piece frame to stretch.
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I wonder which is tougher?

I dont think anyone makes bronze frames anymore. All of the current production ones are brass arent they?
 
SlowFuse said:
I dont think anyone makes bronze frames anymore. All of the current production ones are brass arent they?
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I always thought so. The replica revolvers and 1866 rifles are just brass, I believe.

However I have heard that the Henry Big Boy actually uses a proprietary bronze alloy.
Which would explain why it will handle .44 magnum cartridges and pressures.
 
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