Where would video tutorial on DIY smokeless powder and primers be posted?

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If someone made a tutorial video showing how to make your own smokeless gunpowder and primers, where would such a video be posted? YouTube (where freedom of speech is suppressed) is obviously not a contender. Same with Facebook.

My ammunition for orientation and practice session at Capital City Gun and Rifle Club finally arrived, 5 days past due, because UPS miss-scanned package. This caused me to miss practice session/orientation and these had to be rescheduled for when ammunition was available.

Ammunition has become scarce and reloading components unobtainium at any reasonable prices, & since it's legal in the United States and in the State of Kansas to make your own primers and smokeless powder, that looks like the best work-around available.

My research so far is showing some form of cellulose (cotton, paper, sawdust, etc) is nitrated in nitric and sulfuric acid, thoroughly washed several times and baking soda solution used to neutralize any left over nitric or sulfuric acid in the nitrocellulose.

The next step in the process when making a double base gunpowder, is forming nitroglycerin and adding it to the nitrocellulose, which then has to be thoroughly washed and neutralized (following proper safety protocols and procedures).

Nitrocellulose is next absorbed into acetone, which is decanted off (acetone emulsifies and breaks up cellulose fiber structure, plasticizing it), and the nitrocellulose is again washed several times and any acids neutralized with baking soda solution, before adding diesel exhaust fluid (urea) as a modifier (prevents early high peak pressure).

This modified nitrocellulose is mixed with water which is gently agitated allowing balls of gun powder to form, which are then removed and dried.

The final step in the gunpowder making process, is to coat resulting gunpowder with graphite, to slow down burning, providing a longer length of burn and even pressure.

Once made, DIY homegrown smokeless powder is necessary testing characteristics, and developing load data.

All in all, that's a lot of work to go through when what's wanted, is purchasing a can of powder for reloading, but if DIY's the only way obtaining reloading components?
 
You outline the Ball process.
Lots of process control in there.
Like degree of nitration. Too low and you have celluloid for collars. Too high and you have guncotton high explosive.
Then you are dealing with nitroglycerine.
You will need better inhibitors than graphite to control burn rate and you might want to roll the little balls flat, too.
 
You outline the Ball process.
Lots of process control in there.
Like degree of nitration. Too low and you have celluloid for collars. Too high and you have guncotton high explosive.
Then you are dealing with nitroglycerine.
You will need better inhibitors than graphite to control burn rate and you might want to roll the little balls flat, too.

I enjoy learning, it stimulates the brain :) ...

Lots of patents to read, and books like: "The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives" ... http://www.sciencemadness.org/library/books/the_chemistry_of_powder_and_explosives.pdf

So far, information is protected under freedom of speech and readily available, but there is for sure a learning curve ...

Fortunately, there exists forum archives, detailing people's experiences, results and experiments with links to further information, for those desiring to learn.
 
I am by no stretch of the imagination a trained energetics engineer, but I got involved in a couple of projects that showed me a number of those references.
(I think the rationale was "Watson likes guns, he can help us with bombs." Not really but at least I understood the terminology.).
Learning, si.
Experimenting, not for me.
One of those references was 'Poor Man's RDX.' Actually a recipe for kitchen chemistry guncotton.

There is a thread on DIY black powder. Maybe somebody there can give you leads.
 
Jim, Thanks for the reply and references; I'll be sure to look up "poor man's RDX" on homemade gun cotton.

Many fireworks suppliers (IE: Skylighter) have potential modifiers for controlling burn rate, and other characteristics.

I've always enjoyed experimenting, building, modifying, inventing and research into learning something new.

There will be plenty of time for studies, while I'm waiting on backorder for gunpowder.
 
I think you are talking about something far more hazardous than you imagine (even in small quantities). DuPont quit the powder business after their plant in New Jersey blew up, and I think they had a pretty good handle on what they were about. AngelBuggy.JPG
 
So is this gonna be like your "making homemade primers thread"??:uhoh:

It would be much easier to make Black Powder or even better, search the internet and you may find primers and powder somewhere.

Desperate times call for desperate measures
 
All good thoughts put forward, deserving contemplation... Fortunately, no harm can come to anyone merely studying, reading and learning... Most things can be accomplished where protocols and safety standards remain satisfied ... People have successfully made their own primers and smokeless powder, as witness to the many archived forum threads featuring successful results and experimental load data findings DIY developed... Hopefully this isn't going to be like my primer thread, which was posthaste shut down by a moderator ... Mostly I'd like an answer to the question posed: "If someone made a tutorial video showing how to make your own smokeless gunpowder and primers, where would such a video be posted?"
 
Homemade smokeless...:eek:

Say for example you were trying to make something with a burn speed of a medium rifle powder and for some reason some of the batch ended up being more like a fast pistol powder.

Testing every batch for characteristics would be mandatory, in classification for powder's best usage... Since I reload for pistol, rifle and shotgun, were a batch to test out being like a pistol or shotgun powder, then that's what I would reload with it... Adhering rigidly to protocols and safety standards would be normal routine, used in preventing and avoiding any potentially unpleasant issues that you've alluded to...
 
What are you going to use for load data ?
Duke, If you have ever developed a load, then you're aware one generally begins with published information for a similar characteristic powder, starting on the low end of the scale, & working up until obtaining desired results, proceeding with all due diligence and caution, following safety protocols and taking prudent precautions.
 
I have developed loads using published data.

I'm just not sure where one could find published data for home made smokeless powder.

Is there a way to determine burn rate of a unknown powder ? Obviously manufacturers do it , but I am totally unfamiliar with the
process and wether it could be replicated by a hobbyist.
 
There is a priming compound thread here.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?182089-can-you-make-priming-compound

I have made BP before, maybe you could be the one to post your smokeless powder “how to”.

Be sure to keep us updated. Work in very small batches.

Yes sir! Thanks for primer compound thread link... I'm very much inclined to agree with your notion of working in very small batches... There is a learning curve here, including how to test powders when developing a load... I would imagine a tutorial "how to" going a long ways towards satisfying one's curiosity, at the same time outlining safety protocols to keep people out of Harm's Way ...

Whatever sort of "how to" resulting, there would definitely be need for a video tutorial, and since Facebook and YouTube are out, where would such a video tutorial be posted?
 
I feel there is an elephant in the room, er forum, and I’m sorry if this offends, but in what universe do we want videos teaching any Tom, Dick, Harry, or Igor how to make highly flammable materials in their bedroom?

So moving past the video, the accumulation of the ingredients could be dangerous enough but training oneself to manufacture something so dangerous is beyond the pale. In what type of dwelling are you playing with your chemistry set? Detached single family on an acre+ of land, an attached home, or an apartment?

What are your zoning laws? Insurance restrictions?

To me this is not too far away from making explosives and could in fact be the actual intent and not calling it out is abetting same.

I really have to part company with this forum. Some of you will say good riddance and that’s fine I understand, but others know precisely how I feel.
 
I feel there is an elephant in the room, er forum, and I’m sorry if this offends, but in what universe do we want videos teaching any Tom, Dick, Harry, or Igor how to make highly flammable materials in their bedroom?

So moving past the video, the accumulation of the ingredients could be dangerous enough but training oneself to manufacture something so dangerous is beyond the pale. In what type of dwelling are you playing with your chemistry set? Detached single family on an acre+ of land, an attached home, or an apartment?

What are your zoning laws? Insurance restrictions?

To me this is not too far away from making explosives and could in fact be the actual intent and not calling it out is abetting same.

I really have to part company with this forum. Some of you will say good riddance and that’s fine I understand, but others know precisely how I feel.
I don't blame you for wanting to leave... "Birds of a feather flock together" ... No one wants to be where they feel uncomfortable ...

This is a little bit like gun control, imho ... Gun control doesn't work, all it does is disarm law abiding, creating more innocent victims for violent criminals ... Suppressing such information having to do with powder and primers doesn't work, either ...

Companies regularly produce gunpowder for reloading ... They do it safely ... This information is available for those who wish to learn the proper protocols and safety concerns ... reading through many Forum threads on those who've succeeded in safely making their own primers and smokeless powder, I would say hobbyists have the capability to safely proceed ...

However, there is the Darwinian saying: "You can't fix stupid" ... There is that, and for those people, it really doesn't matter where they find the information ... I would much rather see a valid practical and no-fail set of tutorial instructions to keep people safe ...

If they want to be stupid, and not follow proper safeguards and precautions? ... Well, there is that Darwinian saying ...
 
Make your video and if you can’t find a place to post it, send it to me, I have a friend that has posted videos for me on his own server.

As far as working up a load from your powder, something like this would be nice to have.

https://www.shootingsoftware.com/pressure.htm

As for people saying, “you’ll shoot your eye out”, they forget people go to work everyday doing exactly what you are wanting to do. You need to make sure of two things, you work safely and legally. Other than that, sounds like an interesting project.
 
I find the chemistry interesting, and the risks very hazardous to both the person making it and the learners.

If you posted something like this in a website, there are legal risks when a person makes it and hurts themselves or others, not to mention the person who has mental issues and goes from shooting up a building full of people to adding explosives to the mix. I would not want that information out there any more than it is. Some knowledge is best kept away from public consumption and taught in small groups of vetted individuals.
 
Making explosives is not particularly difficult, the "recipes" are widely published.
Anecdote alert: Years ago, a fire department got a call that a kid had made some nitroglycerine. A crew went to the house expecting to find a little in a chemistry set test tube. They arrived to find a quart jar on the mantel.

Assuming you can get through that part, converting explosives to propellants is the hard part. There were lots of guns and probably some gunners blown up learning how to do what jmorris' people "do every day." The OP is at the "then" stage, not the "now" stage.
 
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