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Not to mention there are accidents at chemical, gunpowder, fireworks, etc plants quite often, even though they have been at the “now” stage for many decades.
Where would video tutorial on DIY smokeless powder and primers be posted?
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Not to mention there are accidents at chemical, gunpowder, fireworks, etc plants quite often, even though they have been at the “now” stage for many decades.
Intrigued, I looked up what Daffy would look like ... Yep, I'd say not so much experimenting for "Daffy's" ... Copyright Warner Brothers Looney Tunes:
Would you like to know how to do this easily, safely, affordably, with no risk to yourself or others, with a set of safety protocols and no-fail tutorial instructions?...
I won't tell anyone, if you won't tell anyone... Here it is, all you need to know: "CENSORED" lol
Good reasoning: "Flattened ball smokeless powder is very similar to the traditional ball powder. The primary advantage to the flattened ball shape is one that benefits shotgun shooters.
Powder can sometimes get pushed into a highly compressed area like the back of the wad with traditional ball powder. As you’d guess, that compaction can impact the rate at which the powder burns. Flattened powder modules mean there is less of a tendency to move and compress so you’ll get a consistent burn rate."
https://prepperrecon.com/guide-smokeless-powder/
Jim Watson
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Bafflegab.
Some grades of Ball* powder are rolled flat to adjust the burn rate, in conjunction with deterrent coatings. They meter quite well.
*Ball powder is an Olin-Winchester trademark for powders made by the Olsen process. He originally developed it to salvage WW I naval gun propellant but it adapted easily to fresh raw materials. Safer than conventional process and more importantly in wartime, faster.
Trademarking is why Hodgdon sells "Spherical" powder even though it is made in the same factory as Winchester Ball.
Some grades of Ball* powder are rolled flat to adjust the burn rate, in conjunction with deterrent coatings. They meter quite well.
*Ball powder is an Olin-Winchester trademark for powders made by the Olsen process. He originally developed it to salvage WW I naval gun propellant but it adapted easily to fresh raw materials. Safer than conventional process and more importantly in wartime, faster.
Trademarking is why Hodgdon sells "Spherical" powder even though it is made in the same factory as Winchester Ball.
Thanks for that! ... Finally making progress towards the question posed, for which this thread is named: "Where would video tutorial on DIY smokeless powder and primers be posted?"
Jim Watson
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I am confused, are you looking for instruction video or do you plan to post instructions after you have figured it out?
Demi-human
maybe likes firearms a little bit…
Since Taliv has the answer I came to give, I’ll digress a little.
A fun read and thought process, but I caution against it. Mostly to save wasted time.
I, too, find energy, of all forms, fascinating.
The power in a small brass vessel is nothing short of amazing. But the actual making of smokeless powder isn’t a small, homeowner batch, process. There is a very steep economy of scale.
In my studying, I found Skylighter to be the upper limit for me. Even then, flash and non-black are just too volatile. It isn’t worth the risk to me. Obviously, it isn’t the having of it, it’s the making.
The batch sizes needed to have enough smokeless powder to test, and then still have some to use, are just too large to risk making. The amount of nitro for a cup of double based powder is too dangerous until it’s in the powder.
I do believe in Freedom though. And the freely passing of knowledge, without the vetting of a small group of individuals, usually called a union, or guild or government.
Freedom is dangerous. It is as it should be.
Cody, of Cody’s Lab on the YT, knows this and that is why he does these things far away from humans and things that burn.
Once you see a single drop of nitroglycerin open a lock, you may think twice about trying to mix it with a powder and mill it into balls.
Again, neat to think about, nothing wrong in trying, provided you are not deluded and put other humans safety above all else. Not economical, but feasible.
And completely the longest, most effort requiring, hard way to go about getting cartridges for a class.
Then we’ll find out if you’ve made Retumbo or TiteGroup. Hopefully by not blowing up a firearm.
I would also point out that much enjoyment and education can be had with black powder. A 38Splc and a modern inline frontstuffer are nothing to sneeze at.
A fun read and thought process, but I caution against it. Mostly to save wasted time.
I, too, find energy, of all forms, fascinating.
The power in a small brass vessel is nothing short of amazing. But the actual making of smokeless powder isn’t a small, homeowner batch, process. There is a very steep economy of scale.
In my studying, I found Skylighter to be the upper limit for me. Even then, flash and non-black are just too volatile. It isn’t worth the risk to me. Obviously, it isn’t the having of it, it’s the making.
The batch sizes needed to have enough smokeless powder to test, and then still have some to use, are just too large to risk making. The amount of nitro for a cup of double based powder is too dangerous until it’s in the powder.
I do believe in Freedom though. And the freely passing of knowledge, without the vetting of a small group of individuals, usually called a union, or guild or government.
Freedom is dangerous. It is as it should be.
Cody, of Cody’s Lab on the YT, knows this and that is why he does these things far away from humans and things that burn.
Once you see a single drop of nitroglycerin open a lock, you may think twice about trying to mix it with a powder and mill it into balls.
Again, neat to think about, nothing wrong in trying, provided you are not deluded and put other humans safety above all else. Not economical, but feasible.
And completely the longest, most effort requiring, hard way to go about getting cartridges for a class.
Then we’ll find out if you’ve made Retumbo or TiteGroup. Hopefully by not blowing up a firearm.
I would also point out that much enjoyment and education can be had with black powder. A 38Splc and a modern inline frontstuffer are nothing to sneeze at.
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I’m personally very interested in making my own smokeless powder.
Let’s not digress too much. Given how esoteric the topic is it seems relevant to discuss risks and legality along with mechanics and formulas and recipes etc.
However let’s keep the negativity out.
Let’s not digress too much. Given how esoteric the topic is it seems relevant to discuss risks and legality along with mechanics and formulas and recipes etc.
However let’s keep the negativity out.
Answer: I've stated enjoying reading and learning, as new things stimulates one's brain and adds interest... With widespread suppression of information (despite freedom of speech), I'm curious where one could go where tutorial videos posted are not censored ...
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I'm right there with you in agreement on that one...I have a 38 Special Snubby revolver as my backup concealed carry...38 Special started out as a black powder load ... That's why the 38 Special cartridge case is so much bigger than the more powerful 9 mm Parabellum ... It's nice to have the option of reloading my 38 specials with black powder ... Reload data for this is still out there; available ...
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Since you find all forms of energy fascinating, here's a place to look for further information:
http://www.free-energy-info.com/PJKbook.pdf
Demi-human
maybe likes firearms a little bit…
I didn’t mean to Pooh-foo your idea. I, too, am quite interested in making my own smokeless.
For the science and self sufficiency of it.
This is where I got my nitric acid.
https://www.sciencecompany.com/Nitric-Acid-Concentrated-500mL-P6387.aspx
It is of high enough mole to work. Not all acids of the same name are the same.
I had thought of using MCC, Micro Crystaline Cellulose filler, dietician product, as the cellulose, as none of my saw dust or planer shavings are clean enough. The raw cotton filler for blankets may also work.
Making nitro cellulose is as you describe, just the same as nitrating glycerine, with all the same hazards. Runaway nitration is one of these.
Graphite can be found at a feed and supply store as seeder lubricant. I now have a lifetime supply with my one pound. (Works well for spreading lime in the lawn. Still have most of it... I imagine it’s making a mess in my shop as we speak.)
Like good red gum black, the process must be identical with each making to even begin to get a useable product. Unlike the Holy Black, there are many more variables to control during the production.
Since my organic chemistry began and ends with anion and cation exchange rates in organic soil Peds, and I found some kids along the way somewhere, supplies sit unused. After all the study my lack of confidence got to me.
(And sticker shock at the glass beaker store! Don’t they make that out of sand, not diamonds?! Turns out the acid is cheap.)
Because most of the manufacturing processes are closely guarded trade secrets, any video you make is one of few. Nitrating cellulose is pretty straight forward, actually turning it into gunpowder is the trick.
Be careful!
For the science and self sufficiency of it.
This is where I got my nitric acid.
https://www.sciencecompany.com/Nitric-Acid-Concentrated-500mL-P6387.aspx
It is of high enough mole to work. Not all acids of the same name are the same.
I had thought of using MCC, Micro Crystaline Cellulose filler, dietician product, as the cellulose, as none of my saw dust or planer shavings are clean enough. The raw cotton filler for blankets may also work.
Making nitro cellulose is as you describe, just the same as nitrating glycerine, with all the same hazards. Runaway nitration is one of these.
Graphite can be found at a feed and supply store as seeder lubricant. I now have a lifetime supply with my one pound. (Works well for spreading lime in the lawn. Still have most of it...
I imagine it’s making a mess in my shop as we speak.)Like good red gum black, the process must be identical with each making to even begin to get a useable product. Unlike the Holy Black, there are many more variables to control during the production.
Since my organic chemistry began and ends with anion and cation exchange rates in organic soil Peds, and I found some kids along the way somewhere, supplies sit unused. After all the study my lack of confidence got to me.
(And sticker shock at the glass beaker store! Don’t they make that out of sand, not diamonds?! Turns out the acid is cheap.)
Because most of the manufacturing processes are closely guarded trade secrets, any video you make is one of few. Nitrating cellulose is pretty straight forward, actually turning it into gunpowder is the trick.
Be careful!
The subject of DIY smokeless powder and primers has been a topic since at least 2010 or even earlier. If it was easy, same and practical don't you think lots of people would be doing it??
Here in Florida when have Saint Marks manufacturing. It is not a garage or basement type set up!
https://www.gd-ots.com/propellant-and-propulsion/st-marks-powder-propellants/
Here is a YouBoob video on making Gun Cotton.
Happy Trails
Here in Florida when have Saint Marks manufacturing. It is not a garage or basement type set up!
https://www.gd-ots.com/propellant-and-propulsion/st-marks-powder-propellants/
Here is a YouBoob video on making Gun Cotton.
Happy Trails
CapnMac
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Rumble has a long hard hill to climb. All of the other "not" YT channels are at the bottom of the hill.
It's a tall hill. YT, for all its flaws has 12,000 hours of content uploaded per day. That's a lot of content.
Bitchute is running about 50-100 hours of content per day. And most of that is duplicate content to YT.
Now, to OP's question, the answer for "out there" content is going to be in the "dark" side of the interwebs. A person would want a "burner" laptop, something well scrubbed, probably with an open-sourced Ubuntu O/S installed, and then using one of the torrent servers, and piggy-backed off some public-sourced, unsecured WiFi source. This is because you can't go a "little bit" dark. But, that's where you might find videos on making fulminates, NC powders, picric compounds and the like.
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I have watched several YouTube videos showing using hardware store ingredients making gun cotton, and other videos showing heating/evaporating sulfuric and nitric acids to the proper concentrations (videos either in vent hood, or outside in well-ventilated areas {vapors harmful}, results being determined by color of smoke given off).
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The notion struck me, and caused my curiosity bump to start itching: whether dryer lint would be usable potential candidate for cellulose?
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Some of the forums and videos on the subject spend a lot of emphasis on neutralizing any leftover acidity, for safety and stability concerns.
Following on from these protocols, one would be working in materials of no more than necessary in performing assigned functions, & there would be no leftovers, as everything utilized would have been neutralized in process.
Properly disposing of spent ingredients is a situation needing careful resolution. Some references carry notion of such like being good fertilizer? Others say differently: take leftovers down to household hazardous material disposal sites. idk...learning curve...
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Good to know where this can be economically obtained. As you say, I'm sure a very little amount goes a long ways, but that little amount is very important in some's protocols. Doing otherwise would be a lot like trying to make salsa without peppers: that would be "sissy salsa" and not gonna work for me! ;-) lol
BigBlue 94
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@Brad Cobb
Assuming you are near Cap City GC, there is still some powder available locally. Integrity had some early this week. The 8lb keg of 4320 I bought was dusty.
As for your endeavors, I applaud your efforts. Consistency is the most important thing after safety.
The DoA released technical manuals a number of years ago outlining how to make improvised explosives, among other things. Its a good read. The manual can be had from the sportsmans guide, and other milsurp sources.
Assuming you are near Cap City GC, there is still some powder available locally. Integrity had some early this week. The 8lb keg of 4320 I bought was dusty.
As for your endeavors, I applaud your efforts. Consistency is the most important thing after safety.
The DoA released technical manuals a number of years ago outlining how to make improvised explosives, among other things. Its a good read. The manual can be had from the sportsmans guide, and other milsurp sources.
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Not necessarily so much.
Imho, most people would rather take the path of least resistance. As an example, folks're not much interested in growing their own food stuffs although this can be done, preferring rather instead being "served" at their favorite restaurants. I would speculate home cooking would tend to go out of fashion, if it were not for cost factor disparities.
You would have to be a bit of an inventor/maker/builder oddball to go out of your way making your own smokeless powder just for the fun of it. Unless you have that peculiar mental makeup mentioned, most people's entertainment runs to more convenient resources these days lol
Proof in concept: If we won the lottery, we would all find other things to do & the work we'd previously accomplished would languish unperformed.
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Good to be aware of this material. Copies remain abundant throughout internet.
Example: https://www.militarynewbie.com/wp-c...ions-Handbook-1969-Department-of-the-Army.pdf
As you've stated, an interesting read, however, such-like are improvised and not necessarily on equal footing with commercially produced product, leaving need for DIY, no-fail, easy-to-follow instructional tutorials/videos.
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I concur. My main intent with that info was to show that the government themselves have released printed material outlining explosive production. They know the info is out there so no need to hide the fact that you are making gunpowder for use in legal firearms. I do not know if such documentation would be allowed here on THR anywhere or not. I kind of doubt it.
Does CCGC have any rules about homemade powder? Might be something to think about if you intended to use it there.
Ian McCollum talks about another YT type video host but I cant recall the name. They were firearms friendly. Might have even been one already mentioned.
Does CCGC have any rules about homemade powder? Might be something to think about if you intended to use it there.
Ian McCollum talks about another YT type video host but I cant recall the name. They were firearms friendly. Might have even been one already mentioned.
I would prefer finding something locally to avoid Hazmat fees... You can purchase directly from Hodgdon and other sites, but the $20 Hazmat fee does add to cost... and everything is on backorder, if you can order anything ...
I'm pretty much ready to close out this thread, with the conclusion that there's no good place to post a tutorial & video, which generally everyone would know where to go look and find it, which could not be censored, modified or removed after the fact by vested interests and powers-that-be.
Sure, you could post such a tutorial and video on THR, with a link (for the video) to a Google Drive account, and along comes a moderator (for whatever policies), "bada bing bada bang", it's deleted, etc.
Another aspect: at thousands of threads, any such information would be hopelessly camouflaged/buried where no one could ever easily find it, even if remaining available on THR.
This same scenario holds true for any other platform I'm presently able to contemplate, gun-friendly video channels not accepted. No one would find these obscure references in any sort of a Google-type search.
The end.
Sure, you could post such a tutorial and video on THR, with a link (for the video) to a Google Drive account, and along comes a moderator (for whatever policies), "bada bing bada bang", it's deleted, etc.
Another aspect: at thousands of threads, any such information would be hopelessly camouflaged/buried where no one could ever easily find it, even if remaining available on THR.
This same scenario holds true for any other platform I'm presently able to contemplate, gun-friendly video channels not accepted. No one would find these obscure references in any sort of a Google-type search.
The end.
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