We are under assault.

D.B. Cooper said:

We must find a way to get every gun owner involved with at least one of those organizations, so that Congress can see that they truly represent a significant segment of American society. If we can't do that, then politicians will find it increasingly difficult to take us seriously.

Click to expand...

The current problem is that the largest organization to represent the 2nd Amendment has become that which it most despised at one time. A bloated, political machine. The other issue is, "gun owners" are not a homogenous bunch. Congress doesn't take citizens seriously, much less a subset of them focused on preserving the 2nd Amendment.

The only 3rd party that will benefit gun owners (and freedom lovers) is one that divides the Democrats, not the conservatives.

NuShootr said:

The current problem is that the largest organization to represent the 2nd Amendment has become that which it most despised at one time. A bloated, political machine. The other issue is, "gun owners" are not a homogenous bunch. Congress doesn't take citizens seriously, much less a subset of them focused on preserving the 2nd Amendment.

Click to expand...

No argument from me, but I didn't want to start an NRA thread; we just need to find a way to show a stronger representation in PACs and other lobbying groups.

I hate to say it but they may have to learn what the 2nd amendment is really for.

Hartkopf said:

The only 3rd party that will benefit gun owners (and freedom lovers) is one that divides the Democrats, not the conservatives.

Click to expand...

Both party's are to blame for us being in the condition we are in.

Interesting times, indeed

It violates the Constitution and injunctions will be filed. It is up to us gun owners to fight back every day. Put tons of pressure on your representatives letting them know you will absolutely not comply with any more infringements on your 2nd amendment rights. You know the reason we have this right to protect us from a government just like this.

Insignificant bill said:

It violates the Constitution and injunctions will be filed.

Click to expand...

1. Agree.
2. The irony of your member name in this thread is tremendous.

Craig

D.B. Cooper said:

Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you. If a conservative (most likely socially conservative) 3rd party is created today, all that will be accomplished is a splitting of the fiscal and socially conservative votes and a guaranteed liberal majority in government-especially in presidential races.

Click to expand...

This has effectively already happened. When the Tea Party movement started gaining steam, it was folded into the Republican Party, which im not sure if that was a great idea. Tea Party was a populist movement, and not necessarily a conservative one. So there is, and has been an ideological schism in the Republican party for some time now, and while combining the bases was able to win the white house in 16, the differences between the two are causing problems now. If the Republican party isn't broken, its certainly walking with a limp.
As far as the proposed bill from the gentlelady from Texas is concerned, that is destined to die in committy as all the other gun control bills she has offered up. Pretty sure she is the only one to sign on to this thing, no other co-sponsors. She knows this thing goes nowhere, but she gets to campaign on "introducing the toughest gun gun control legislation ever brought before congress" or some such nonsense. Diane Finestien she ain't.
But, what is to be done now? Personally, I think we, as responsible gun owners, should keep in mind that Democrats writ large are not necessarily the enemy. Controversial statement I know, but hear me out. Something like 7 million new gun owners in 2020, many of them liberal minded folks that had a major wake up call when they realized that they may have to be responsible for their own personal protection. Loads of new hunters seeking a covid friendly activity were created this past year. We have a lot of new people to support the 2A cause.
Befriend some of your liberal neighbors, if you don't have any liberal neighbors, head into town and find some....think they hang out at Starbucks or something

I'm sure the criminals will rush to get their guns registered, pay the taxes, get the insurance and pay for the license.

bersaguy said:

Democrats writ large are not necessarily the enemy.

Click to expand...

Glad to see this statement. Not sure you're in the majority. You know, I was speaking with a retiree a couple weeks back. He was a Vietnam vet. He equated having liberal friends with being friend with the Viet Cong. (his words.) It's going to be very difficult to walk that divide back to a place where it can be bridged.

bersaguy said:

...if you don't have any liberal neighbors, head into town and find some....think they hang out at Starbucks or something

Click to expand...

LOL

D.B. Cooper said:

Glad to see this statement. Not sure you're in the majority. You know, I was speaking with a retiree a couple weeks back. He was a Vietnam vet. He equated having liberal friends with being friend with the Viet Cong. (his words.) It's going to be very difficult to walk that divide back to a place where it can be bridged.



LOL

Click to expand...

Maybe not- but they continue voting the people doing these things into office.

The man who doesn't kill me, but willingly unlocks the door and holds it open for my killer, isn't exactly my friend, is he?

If you voted for Biden or a Dem rep or Senator, you voted for THIS.

Larry

I’ve been emailing my congressman about everything that’s been going on. I urge you guys to do the same. The people need to be heard and the political power needs to listen. I’m really proud to be a Texan and it’s looking like we are going to be 2a sanctuary. I’ve been pressing for constitutional carry. Sad as it is if you live in a state that’s a yes man you might want to consider relocating

D.B. Cooper said:

Glad to see this statement. Not sure you're in the majority. You know, I was speaking with a retiree a couple weeks back. He was a Vietnam vet. He equated having liberal friends with being friend with the Viet Cong. (his words.) It's going to be very difficult to walk that divide back to a place where it can be bridged.
LOL

Click to expand...

Me too.
The largest and most powerful voting block is neither Democrat or republican..It is the YUGE 'unaffiliated' group in the middle..and after January 6th, that group is getting even larger. The zero sum, us vs them, single issue divide wears me out. The US is a shade of gray, or purple, I guess, and has been since July 4, 1776.

bersaguy said:

Personally, I think we, as responsible gun owners, should keep in mind that Democrats writ large are not necessarily the enemy. Controversial statement I know, but hear me out. Something like 7 million new gun owners in 2020, many of them liberal minded folks that had a major wake up call when they realized that they may have to be responsible for their own personal protection. Loads of new hunters seeking a covid friendly activity were created this past year. We have a lot of new people to support the 2A cause.

Click to expand...

While I completely agree that a lot of liberals ran out and panic purchased after BLAMtifa started burning and pillaging (and that being a liberal does not, per se, make them “the enemy”), I don’t believe they share the same view of the Second Amendment. I see them as likely to willingly acquiesce to restrictions like registration, mandatory insurance, and limits in the kinds of guns they can own. In fact, I can see them welcoming the changes as a sign that our “benevolent” Government is taking a stronger stand and relieving them of the need to protect themselves.

Anyone who believes the government will protect them needs to look back at some history. Important to think about is for the last two decades there has been a steady push to report this report that alert us let us take care of it. Handle it with the pen pretty much. Lol we get a flu going around and police departments come out saying they are no longer responding to home invasions or auto theft. Gun restrictions only affect the law abiding citizens. Criminals like always will find a a way to get what they want. Look what happened in Australia with gun surrender. Important to do things the right way but we must never forget that sometimes paperwork doesn’t work. Sometimes it takes teeth to process something

The Democratic leadership has made it clear gun control will not come from legislation. The Democrats plan to do Australian gun control through a packed SCOTUS and XOs. It'll be done before the 2022 election which will be rigged like 2020. And guns will be done....

I think we will ultimately end up with a divided America. State to state legislation will vary wildly and I hope that’s where it stops.

Stop with the alarmism. Gun bills are going nowhere. Just look at the congressional math. The Democrats have tiny margins and little political capital, which they will have to spend on the major crises confronting the country. And they are not unified in being antigun.

AlexanderA said:

Stop with the alarmism. Gun bills are going nowhere. Just look at the congressional math. The Democrats have tiny margins and little political capital, which they will have to spend on the major crises confronting the country. And they are not unified in being antigun.

Click to expand...

I’m less worried about legislation and more worried about Sleepy Joe using his newly-discovered Executive Order power. Just because it’s un-Constitutional doesn’t mean it won’t happen...just look at DACA.

Let's not go to pure politics, if you please. Stay on the gun issue and not general us vs. them posts.

AlexanderA said:

Stop with the alarmism. Gun bills are going nowhere. Just look at the congressional math. The Democrats have tiny margins and little political capital, which they will have to spend on the major crises confronting the country. And they are not unified in being antigun.

Click to expand...

Doesn't take a law. Taxes, lawsuits and executive orders can do an immense amount of damage.

It’s not alarmism. It’s just facts. We already have states that have ridiculous policies when it comes to guns. It’s just a slow conforming process. One step at a time the 2nd amendment is infringed upon. If you look into all the different regulations of traveling state to state while armed it’s absurd. Our 2nd amendment right is starting to err towards privilege. We need to stand up and be heard. Better organized efforts of preservation and be aware that if gun control couldn’t go anywhere we wouldn’t need a map to show us where it’s ok to have your rights and where you can’t.

I won't make predictions, however there are two things which have me concerned. First, I'm guessing the Dems have learned that they may have two years to push through their policies as maintaining control of the house is not guaranteed, as we've seen on the past. It's not unreasonable to think they'll go for broke and push through whatever anti 2A laws they can to appease the far left. Second, there's no one to stop them from doing what they want, as the MSM not only does not hold them accountable but outright lies to protect them and the major social media companies silence opposing points of view.