S&W model 27 Old or New?

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Also I know some of you true believers don't want to hear this but my 6-in model 386 in scandium is hands down the best shooting 357 of the pack. It's the only gun that can match my Dan Wessons. Plus it weighs negligible for field purposes and comfortably fires seven rounds of 357 hunting loads. For accuracy the 686 I mentioned is all so right in the mix.

The fact is I have plenty of revolvers for hunting I don't really need another hunting gun. I have Smith & Wesson 460, FA 454, S&W PC 44's etc...

So I guess I'm really looking more for carry gun that I might also hunt with but probably with just a four inch barrel certainly no longer than five. I have a 3-in barrel new model Colt King Cobra so I'm not looking for any kind of snubby. And I could be talked into a 6-in barrel if it were a 27-2 or something old and majestic.

Suggestions?
 
We have discussed this before. I am not interested in maximizing anything. I collect the classics, and yes I shoot them too. Frankly, I was very disappointed in the lack of quality in the 7 shot Model 686-6 I bought brand new a few years ago.

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Yes, I fully understand the logic of the L frame over a K frame for 357 Magnum. I just do not like what S&W is producing today. Hate the full length underlugs they are putting on everything they make now. I much prefer my Model 19-3 that I bought brand-spanky new in 1975.

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The same with the ten shot Model 617-6 that I bought used a few years ago. Ugly as sin with that full underelug. I have no need for a 10 shot 22. 10 shots in a 22 just means I will burn up ammo that much faster. I actually like only loading 6. In fact, most of the time I only load 5 in a revolver, because all my ammo boxes have 10 rows of 5. Shooting only five per cylinder makes it easier to keep track of what I am doing. The only reason I bought it was I was competing in a steel event that required 8 aimed shots in 15 seconds. Could not do that with a six-shooter.

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Most, but not all, of the 22 rimfire S&W revolvers I own. Notice the Model 617 is conspicuously absent.

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Of all of them, this well worn K-22 Outdoorsman from 1932 is the most accurate.

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I am not opposed to MIM parts per se, I am opposed to the lack of quality in what S&W has been shipping in the last few years. Suffice it to say I will continue to collect the classics and will not be buying anything new made by S&W anymore.

There is no accounting for tastes. I love the full-underlug look, and round butt. I personally dislike the "classic" look of partial underlug and square butt. I prefer the brushed stainless over shiny stainless or blued steel. All my N-frames have the full underlug except my 627 and all are round butts. I have S&W N-frames spanning from just after then pinned and recessed went away to ones with MIM and the internal lock and they have all served me well and I have used them all (except the M29 I have) pretty hard in USPSA competition.

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My S&W 627-6 5-inch gun with internal lock, MIM parts and probably close to 10k rds through it in competition.
 
Huntolive

Maybe a vintage S&W Model 28 available with either a 4" or 6" barrel. It's the more plain vanilla cousin of the Model 27 and it certainly qualifies as old and majestic.
 
Please tell me more about the model 28 I am not very familiar.
What are their strengths and weaknesses?
 
I have been lusting for a colt python for a couple years now but prices are insane, I'm not sure I'm getting anything more for my money than I would with a 27-2 or even a new classic model 27. also considering getting a shorter barreled 627 eight shot.
After handling a bunch of my S&Ws today I'm no longer as hung up on a cult python although I sure wouldn't mind one.

I bought a new production Python last summer. Paid too much for it but less than an original production run. I have not shot it much but it shoots well. It's trigger is probably not as good as the S&W revolvers that I have including my Model 27-2's. But maybe time and round count might fix that.

The Python is my first, and probably only Colt revolver. (Single actions and I do not get along.)

I like my S&W revolvers.

Please tell me more about the model 28 I am not very familiar.
What are their strengths and weaknesses?

The S&W Model 28 is the patrolman's version of the Model 27. It tends to be finished with a bit less luster, maybe more simple stocks, but the revolvers were made to pretty much the same specs as the Model 27. In terms of function, you will not notice a difference.
 
Please tell me more about the model 28 I am not very familiar.
What are their strengths and weaknesses?


The S&W Model 28 is nothing more or less than a Model 27 in plain clothes. No checkered rib, no checkered rear sight, no high polished blue, get the picture? It was brought out to sell more N frame 357s but at less cost so the common man could afford it.


Both it and the Model 27 are great revolvers, once they are converted to 45 ACP!


Kevin
 
If I understand correctly, a Model 28 is a Model 27 with a plain-jane finish.

I couldn't afford a 27, so I got a 28,

It's a great shooter. Its trigger is comparable to my K22. As several have said, you can shoot full-power 357's through it until your arms get tired from holding it up, and the recoil won't bother you.

Mine is a range toy. Six rounds are plenty. One or two more would not make much difference on how fun it is to shoot (very).

It's from the 70's and has been shot a lot, but locks up good and tight.

A 4" Model 28 would be a nice woods gun. Before the pandemic you could find a used one with finish wear for a reasonable price. (Mine was around $450, plus shipping and FFL.) Mine came with a few dings and scratches, some finish wear, and ugly pachmayrs. Something like that would be a nice woods gun because it would shoot like a 27, but one more scratch or ding wouldn't make any difference.

 
Thanks for info on model 28 that would be great woods carry gun just like my old truck I don't need to worry about another dent or scratch or a little more deer blood. LOL.
I'll probably look for a good deal on another 27-2 or wait until things settle down and see if a fair deal on a Python comes my way.
Or get another 627 eight shot with three or four inch barrel for Cary.
I've determined I have enough hunting and woods guns between my Dan Wesson's Smith & Wesson's and freedom arms 454 casull.
So what I'm zeroing in on is something really Nice with a bit of gravitas that I'm not afraid to shoot and holster.
 
Howdy Again

There is actually a little bit more to the story of the Model 28 than has been stated.

First introduced in 1954 as the Highway Patrolman.

Yes, the Highway Patrolman was a more utilitarian version of The 357 Magnum (the name Model 27 did not exist yet at that point.)

It needs to be remembered that the original 357 Registered Magnums were very high end guns. The Registered Magnums were the most deluxe revolvers S&W was making when introduced in 1935. They cost $60, $15 more than anything else in the S&W catalog at the time. Somebody else can look up what an inflation calculator says 60 1935 dollars would be worth today. As I said earlier, the Registered Magnums were customized to the prospective owner's wishes. The only standard feature of the Registered Magnums was the checkering on the top strap and barrel rib, the only model S&W ever made with those features. Owners had their choice of any barrel length from 3 1/2" to 8 3/4". Seven choices of front sights and rear sights. Standard 'service' grips or Magna grips, with or without a grip adapter. Sighted at the factory for the ammunition of the customer's choice out to 200 meters.

When S&W introduced the Registered Magnums in 1935 it was the height of the Great Depression and they did not think they would sell very many. Instead, the factory was overwhelmed with orders, they could barely produce 120 revolvers per month. By 1938, after approximately 5,500 Registered Magnums had been made, the Registration program stopped and stamping a registration number in the yoke cut was discontinued. The 357 Magnum continued to be produced until 1941 when production temporarily ceased for wartime production of other models. Total pre-war production was 6,642 revolvers.

Reintroduced in 1948, with the incorporation of the modern hammer block, production continued, with less options, until 1957 when S&W changed over to a model number system and The 357 Magnum became the Model 27.

Law enforcement agencies showed great interest in The 357 Magnum, but the price was prohibitive. S&W President C.R. Hellstrom discussed with his engineers the possibility of making a more utilitarian version of The 357 Magnum for law enforcement. Thus the Highway Patrolman was created in 1954. The same frame and cylinder size as The 357 Magnum, the same internal components, just a less highly polished utilitarian brushed blue finish instead of the standard highly polished blue that was standard on all S&W revolvers at the time. Gone too was the unique checkering on top of the top strap and barrel rib. 4" or 6" barrels were standard. I have a copy of the official S&W circular from 1957 that shows The 357 Magnum with a price of $120, the Highway Patrolman cost $85, or $90 with target stocks.

In 1957 The Highway Patrolman became the Model 28.


A Model 27 no dash from 1959 at the top of this photo, a Model 28-2 from 1964 or 1965 at the bottom. Both have 6" barrels. The higher luster of the Model 27 blue is not quite evident in this photo. Notice the different style front sights, the Model 27 usually came with a Patridge front sight, the Model 28 came with a Baughman Quick Draw front sight. (the slanted rear of the Baughman front sight was for drawing from a holster without snagging)

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The checkering on the top strap, barrel rib, and rear sight tang have always been missing on the Highway Patrolman/Model 28.

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Chambers and rear of the barrel of a Model 28.

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Two Model 28-2s, semi-target hammer on the left, target hammer on the right.

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A four inch Model 28-2 probably from about 1973. That is not the standard 'dull finish' this one has been refinished and probably sand blasted.

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Even though the name was changed to Model 28, the barrels of were still marked HIGHWAY PATROLMAN. .357 CTG means 357 Magnum Cartridge in S&W Speak.

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Even though Smith and Wesson is still producing a version of the Model 27, my copy of The Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson by Supica and Nahas says Model 28 production ceased in 1986.

There are still plenty of used Model 28s out there, my records show I paid $650 for one a few years ago.
 
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They used meters because metallic silhouette matches at that time were calibrated in meters.
 
Setting the historical significance of the Model 27 & 357 Mag aside. A 6-shot 357 Magnum N-frame is rather silly. If you're going to buy a 357 Magnum N-frame at least buy a 627 and get 8-shots. Why would you want all that bulk and weight with no advantage over a L-frame or even an K-frame. When buying a 357 mag revolver it should be J-frame 5-shot, K-frame 6-shot, L-frame 7-shot and N-frame 8-shot. A revolver is already capacity limited why would you not maximize that capacity for a give frame size?

Because capacity is irrelevant for many buyers' purposes. If I were buying a .357 Mag. revolver as a woods gun or regular CCW, then I'd maximize capacity in a given frame size. Where increased capacity is irrelevant to the application, I will always favor the traditional configuration. A seven- or eight-shot revolver is just ugly to my eyes. Even more so since the revolvers so equipped include some or all of the other things I hate about recent-production S&Ws.
 
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Silhouette shooting began in Mexico in 1900. I do not know how long it took to get to America. The Mexicans used live animals before silhouette targets were made.
 
Not knocking the new improved high capacity S&Ws, but admit I prefer the older ones. I've owned three 27s and a 28, and would choose any of them in good condition over current production. I've shot other's Pythons, but that is about the limit of my experience with them. I have a Colt 3 5 7 model, some refer to as a pre Python, manufactured in 1959. It feels to me just like the Pythons I shot. Good gun, but not as robust as a Model 27 or 28 I think, and the V-spring lockwork is certainly more complex. I think highly of the L-Frame S&Ws too, carried one for several years.

As far as shooting "strong hunting rounds" in your 27-2, were it mine, I sure wouldn't loose any sleep in doing so. The most powerful ammunition I can recall using in any of my .357s, is the Buffalo Bore 180 grain LFN-GC. It averages just over 1400 FPS in the 5" 27-2 I bought new, over 40 years ago. Shooting it in the 27 was unremarkable, and I would not hesitate to shoot more of the same.
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Silhouette shooting began in Mexico in 1900. I do not know how long it took to get to America. The Mexicans used live animals before silhouette targets were made.


I knew it originated there and we “borrowed” the idea. Did not know it was so old. I remember reading about it in the “American Rifleman” during the 70s but it was strictly rifle. I am curious when they started wanging away at the chickens and rams with a handgun?


Kevin
 
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Gauchos from South America probably. Hell, they probably started out throwing knives at chickens........ from horseback.
 
If I was going to get a Python, it would be a new one. I've seen way too many old Pythons that were terribly over-polished to fool with one, or swallow their lofty collector premium. The new guns are very well done.

Even if present, I don't think any of the N-frame improvements are relevant to anything but the .44Mag's. Not sure S&W makes that claim but they make money if true. Why would they encourage buyers to buy older guns when it profits them nothing? That said, there is an intangible allure to the 27/28 that doesn't really apply to the 627 and never will. The new 27 "Classic" is a modern representation of the original. 357 and that appeals to people for obvious reasons. For me, I'd rather have older S&W's. For me, they have an appeal that the new guns do not. Sometimes you can get a good deal on them. I paid $369 for this 27-2 because it had some freckles on it.

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Setting the historical significance of the Model 27 & 357 Mag aside. A 6-shot 357 Magnum N-frame is rather silly. If you're going to buy a 357 Magnum N-frame at least buy a 627 and get 8-shots. Why would you want all that bulk and weight with no advantage over a L-frame or even an K-frame. When buying a 357 mag revolver it should be J-frame 5-shot, K-frame 6-shot, L-frame 7-shot and N-frame 8-shot. A revolver is already capacity limited why would you not maximize that capacity for a give frame size?
It's a good thing we have a variety to choose from. Because I have absolutely no desire to own a 627, no matter how many rounds it holds. I'm not going to be using an N-frame .357 in combat so the allure of the 8-shot is lost on me completely. Even if I was, I wouldn't change my choice. Plus eight flutes just looks dumb. I'd rather smack my big toe with a hammer than spend $1000 or more on an eight shot 627. No, if I'm going modern, I'm going all the way.

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There is no accounting for tastes. I love the full-underlug look, and round butt. I personally dislike the "classic" look of partial underlug and square butt. I prefer the brushed stainless over shiny stainless or blued steel. All my N-frames have the full underlug except my 627 and all are round butts.
Classic revolvers, you either get it or you don't. Technically, it's a shrouded ejector, not a "partial underlug". Versus an unshrouded ejector, like the 2nd Model.

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Just something to check for when you a looking at a Model 28...

I purchased an early '70's 6" 28-2 at 99%+ with box and papers for $275 in 1997 at the Denver gun show. It appeared to barely have been shot at all- I soon found out why.

On the first range trip, a few cylinders of .38 shot perfectly, so I moved up to .357. After a round or two, the cylinder began dragging and binding. Some additional shots and investigation revealed that the firing pin bushing was seated too deep and allowing the primers to back-out a bit and jam the whole assembly. Being young and stupid at 21, I let a local gun smith of some reputation (Qualite Pistol and Revolver, mostly known at the time for brass Ruger Blackhawk frames) work on it. They did fix it with a new part from S&W, but the ham handedness of the workmanship was a problem, with me questioning if they a had ever removed a side plate before.

I still have the 28 this day as my large frame .357 example.
 
That's surprising. Milt Morrison was supposed to be a good gunsmith.

They didn't seat a screwdriver fully on one of the side plate screws and ended-up scratching off a partial "ring" of bluing from the side plate. They also distorted the thin part of the frame above the side plate tang near the cylinder stop- it's actually bowed into the cylinder window.

When I finally picked-it up, my life was fast accelerating- finishing classes, graduation, Commissioning, going on Active Duty, so the priority of fussing was pretty low. It still bugs me, however...
 
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