P5 Guy
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It makes me wonder, did Remington keep the tooling to make M1903A3s?
While some may disparage the 870 and 700, those are two products by which others are judged. I suspect the 870 is the all time best selling pump shotgun
The 700 is probably in the top two or three bolt actions of all time.
No disrespect toward any members intended... but when we (as a community) constantly use the term "Fudd," it serves only to illustrate how we've divided ourselves. We're doing the work for the other side. Seriously. As a very wise man once said, "We must all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
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No disrespect toward any members intended... but when we (as a community) constantly use the term "Fudd," it serves only to illustrate how we've divided ourselves. We're doing the work for the other side. Seriously. As a very wise man once said, "We must all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
Back on topic, to say the 700 is a bolt action by which all others are judged... well, that ship sailed with Remington's history of poor Q/C, customer service and botched recalls over a period of years. As far as the 870, I've been issued one for years. I prefer the 590A1.
Bushmaster is apparently on the way back. What their product line will include is anybody's guess, though.
It makes me wonder, did Remington keep the tooling to make M1903A3s?
Now, see, using this as a platform for a high end line of rifles would have promise. High quality bluing, nice wood with top notch machine work and fitting. Offer a classic with sights, make some factory sporterized models, maybe have turnbull do some work on an exclusive run... Maybe re-introduce the M 1875. There are markets outside AR's and high cap 9mm's, but fighting for a slice of the mid-priced hunting gun market is a tough way to make a buck.
The name is coming back, none of the people and all the previous merchandise was thrown away or sold for pennies on the dollar in late-2019 early-2020 when Remington shut them down. The Bushmaster name is now owned buy Franklin Armory. The new Bushmaster might turn out better than the old Bushmaster but other than the name their is nothing left of the old company to be part of the new. What little is left of the original Bushmaster (along with some DPMS and some Remington stuff) is being sold off at severely inflated prices by a group in Kentucky (mostly ACR parts but other mixed in too): https://bushmaster-parts.com/
Looks like their going FUDD, which is, admittedly, their strong suit, but it is also a hard row to hoe in this current firearms market. Can you keep a gun company afloat on mid tier shotguns and bolt action rifles? Time will tell, but as long as D'Arcy et al is at the helm I am not interested.
You are conflating "Young" with "New".Almost missed this one. Funniest joke I've read on the internet in weeks.
You do realize a large portion of Remington's rifle sales in 2019 where ARs under the Bushmaster, DPMS, and RemDef brands.Well, there are companies making money off of “Fudd” guns. Weatherby, Savage, Henry, Ruger, etc. Henry is annually making >200K rifles annually; Remington in 2019 made >250K rifles, Ruger made >500K rifles. The “innovative” and “modern” companies like BCM <10K rifles Daniel Defense >25K rifles. I realize that PSA and Anderson are selling lower tear “modern” rifles and receivers in the hundreds of thousands, but it’s clear by the numbers that “Fudd” guns are still selling at a healthy pace and that the notion that steel and wood guns are part of a all but shriveled up market doesn’t seem to be true when you examine manufactured volumes. Actually knowing and raising kids of the Gen Z generation you’d be surprised to really see what it is they like. They are actually quite interested in wood and steel and things that are stylistically more elegant. Also many of the Generation X who are still strong gun buyers have interest in things beyond AR15s and polymer. It’s really the millennial generation who has trouble respecting styles and culture from the past.
You do realize a large portion of Remington's rifle sales in 2019 where ARs under the Bushmaster, DPMS, and RemDef brands.
My objection is not to traditional guns but to the decision the current RemArm leadership made and how they destroyed allot of brands and livelihoods so that they could destroy two "black-gun" firearms brands and get the banks out of the gun business and in the process they fangled it so they could buy themselves a FUDD gun company for penny's on the dollar, as I state more fully in my early post that begin with "I used the term FUDD"
I have hunted and shot with Remington products since I was very little and they still comprise a large portion (~25%) of my collection but no more new Remingtons will enter my collection while the current leadership is in place.
Uh, no, I wasn't "conflating" anything. The quoted text read, "young buyers are INCREDIBLY discerning..."You are conflating "Young" with "New".
Yes new shooters can be not very discerning. I was there at one point. Ask me about how I put large objective scopes on everything.
Once they get some experience, that quickly changes
Uh, no, I wasn't "conflating" anything. The quoted text read, young buyers are INCREDIBLY discerning..."
And I still find the continued insistence of some to use the term "Fudd guns" in relation to traditional hunting/sporting firearms as not contributing to meaningful discourse on the topic. The term, as it originated and typically continues to be used, connotes a derogatory meaning to an entire class of gun-owners.
Well, to a certain extent, the original "fudds" self-segregated. As long as they got to keep their cherished arms, the rest of us could go hang.No disrespect toward any members intended... but when we (as a community) constantly use the term "Fudd," it serves only to illustrate how we've divided ourselves.
Well, to a certain extent, the original "fudds" self-segregated. As long as they got to keep their cherished arms, the rest of us could go hang.
As with all language, that meaning has morphed and twisted and has, confusingly become a descriptive as well as a pejorative. There's probably no cure for that now. "We" need to be collective all the more now, and some of "us" have no interest in that--either direction.
Back to topic, Remmington needs to repair their image in handguns, which is a huge market for anyone selling arms right now. The PCC idea above would be an excellent starting point. The XP line could be brought back, especially with T/C out of the market.
Okay, then why were you laughing then at it?Uh, no, I wasn't "conflating" anything. The quoted text read, "young buyers are INCREDIBLY discerning..."