No way in heck there is still an ammo shortage

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Ok in Northern Virginia. The 6 shops and cabelas i go too often... Have so much ammo.. the shelvs have been full for 2 months. Litterally full.. no emty places. One store i went too after the shooting range had so much ammo they had a 20 foot line of packing boxes.. FULL of ammo. I kid you not. FULL of ammo and those boxes were stacked as well.

The local store 5 min from my house.. there entire back wall which is about 10 feet long and 5 feet tall.. is full of ammo.. I also find it odd how 90% of the websites out there say out of stock... but then some will have everything in stock.. and some of those even list how many they have left . Ive seen dozens of types of ammo on those sites where they have 1000-10000 boxes left. How is that possible that a few sites have trucks loads.. and others still claim to be out of stock

I kid you not

Yet ammo prices are still high... Yep i guess we wont ever see a decline in prices
 
Northern Va is huge with 2.5 million people. More people than many states combined.. 6 shops covers a large part of this upper state when owning a shop is hard in this area.. So no i wont ssy that isnt small.

I also edited my post where i noticed some websites list thousands of boxes left in stock 999+ yet other sites seem to have 0.. Isnt that odd ?
 
Shelf? Haha, that's cute.

My LGS orders 9mm by the pallet and doesn't even bother unpacking it. They just roll the entire pallet onto the showroom floor.

I'll let you know when that pallet is back out.

Their 9mm "shelf" is down to $20/box.
 
Zerodefect said:
Shelf? Haha, that's cute.

My LGS orders 9mm by the pallet and doesn't even bother unpacking it. They just roll the entire pallet onto the showroom floor.

I'll let you know when that pallet is back out.

Their 9mm "shelf" is down to $20/box.
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Well to be honest a 10 foot by 5 foot shelf is many pallets of ammo.. Its just on the shelf.. they unpack them lol.. but the other store i did mention had a 20 foot long row of rounds still in boxes just laying there
 
candymancan said:
Well to be honest a 10 foot by 5 foot shelf is many pallets of ammo.. Its just on the shelf.. they unpack them lol.. but the other store i did mention had a 20 foot long row of rounds still in boxes just laying there
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You're missing the point though. 9mm won't come down until pallets big enough to crush that shelf start arriving weekly.

They have jhp in every caliber, so there is nothing to worry about. Everyone has enough serious ammo. It's only the fmj thats not keeping up.
 
A my store we are having a hard time getting in the following...

.380ACP - One 10 box case, the first one in a year. Sold all of it in less than an hour.
.40 S&W - Two 10 box cases, the first in a year. Sold all of it in less than a couple hours.
.300 blackout, One 10 box case, the first in a year, Sold by the end of the day.
12ga - We haven't had any shipments of slugs or birdshot in over a year and the same thing goes for 30-06, 30-30.
Lately the only rifle ammo we've been able to get in is made by Norma and our 9mm ammo is some off brand called Venom.
 
I've only been in one store that sells
ammunition in a year ( besides wally world)
and they looked well supplied . That said,
I didn't look too closely since I didn't need
any. I was there to pick up a hunting
license and leave ASAP
The few actual local gun stores left here are
at the mercy of the wholesalers who are
going to fill their big pallet quantity orders
for the chain stores before Billy Joe Bob's
Gun Store and Lawnmower Repair gets
his 2 case order filled
 
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I am seeing considerably more ammo on the shelves but I have not seen the price drops significantly yet. When the prices start to drop then the shortage will be over IMHO. The local Academy used to have nearly two whole isles dedicated to ammo. Currently it is a quarter of it's former size, but fairly full. Similar can be said for the local Cabela's.
 
From across the pond - over here we didnt have ammo shortage, but everything what left were shipped to US, mostly the primers which stoped flow from some smaller factories focused on reloaded, cheap ammo - now they are back into business. Also some non-local brands are also present in shelfs. That could indicate that demand from US is lower than before
 
mcb said:
I am seeing considerably more ammo on the shelves but I have not seen the price drops significantly yet. When the prices start to drop then the shortage will be over IMHO. The local Academy used to have nearly two whole isles dedicated to ammo. Currently it is a quarter of it's former size, but fairly full. Similar can be said for the local Cabela's.
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JMHO- I don't think we'll be seeing any
price drops anytime soon
There were too many people willing to
pay the ridiculous prices and enable
those that were obvious gougers.
I've always had price limits in my head
for what I'm willing to pay for components,
and I won't be exceeding that.
Loading ammunition used to be very
economical and semi fun, and as much
as anything you could tailor your loads
for your individual firearms, but it's
not anything like 40 years ago when
ammo might be hit or miss or you might
experience bullet failure. Pound of most
any powder for 10 or less, primers for
a dollar and change a hundred, bullets
a few cents each, or nearly free if you cast.
I don't ever see any of that turning around.
If I lose all of what I've got for whatever
reason, I'll be buying cases of whatever
for whatever and calling it done

Sorry for the doom and gloom, but that's
the way I see it
 
I have two gun stores within 4 miles of my house. One is fully stocked with ammo and says they have no problem getting it. The other asserts they are having trouble getting back to a previously normal dully stocked condition. I don’t understand why the difference.
 
I do not think that what one sees in their area pertaining to ammo inventory conditions and prices has anything whatsoever to do with other area inventory conditions and prices - there is no correlation and it is counterintuitive to argue that there is a correlation - one simply has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
 
SGammo had 3 different listings of 9mm yesterday, all at $19.95 per 50. LOTS of cases at $389 IIRC. All sold out today. That seems to be the lowest prices will go for awhile when they sell that quick. Any higher and it stays on the shelf considerably longer.

My LGS has full shelves and the terrible pricing will keep those shelves full while people run (click) to places like SGammo.
 
candymancan said:
Yet ammo prices are still high... Yep i guess we wont ever see a decline in prices
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If you took it, dig your High School Econ textbook out, find the chapter on price elasticity in supply/demand, and see if there's a paragraph that applies the concept to falling prices in response to oversupply. There probably isn't, Econ classes are generally as inept as government economists.

In short: in response to steady state conditions prices snap up and drift down, and the downward velocity is asymptotic to zero (decreases get slower over time). As sales volume drops, manufacturers will slowly reduce prices to maintain revenue.
 
There's plenty around here now, at least the common stuff. Still pretty pricey, though, for the most part. I was shocked to see some Frontier 5.56 in one store at $8.99 with a limit of 10. Still more than it used to be but relatively non-outlandish. Most is going for $13 or so. One thing I've also noticed the past month is WAAAY more primers and powder being available on the local classifieds board. Still overpriced, particularly primers but it's almost like guys have been sitting on their golden egg and are trying to cash in while they still can. I'm not buying yet.
 
Which stores have all this ammo? I too live in Northern VA?

As for ammo prices, say 9mm, it fell sharply week after week from May through July (i've been watching closely), but seems to have stabilized at about $18 to low $20s for a box of 50. I think it is still moving down, but much more slowly. Availability IS way up too, now the issue is holding out for even lower prices...which might be a long wait. Also, if anything 2A-related (real or perceived) happens, I think prices could rapidly rise and availability dry up quickly.

So, as for me, I'm debating whether I should buy ammo in semi-bulk quantitites now. It is a tough call...
 
Got an email flyer from LGS, 9mm Blazer brass $21.99 either 115 or 124gr.

.40S&W $26.99 for Blazer aluminum, .45acp Blazer brass $34.99

I waiting a bit longer but I believe the manufacturers price hike will negate any easing of store prices.
 
Unfortunately, MN ain't Northern Virginia either. Most everything here is a couple boxes here and there, mostly odd calibers, and severe limits when there is product available. Most places are still stocking it behind the gun counter, and there are lots of open spaces even on those shelves.
 
edwardware said:
If you took it, dig your High School Econ textbook out, find the chapter on price elasticity in supply/demand, and see if there's a paragraph that applies the concept to falling prices in response to oversupply. There probably isn't, Econ classes are generally as inept as government economists.

In short: in response to steady state conditions prices snap up and drift down, and the downward velocity is asymptotic to zero (decreases get slower over time). As sales volume drops, manufacturers will slowly reduce prices to maintain revenue.
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I think prices are also being used to regulate hoarding. The main thing there though is quantity limits. I hope we get back to where one does not have to pay HAZMAT for one brick of primers, if any are available at all.
 
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