That terrible Glock trigger...

That seems pretty common with a lot of things. Especially the guns with a lot of aftermarket going on.

The Glock trigger is supposed to be the way it is. That is why it is not supposed to need a manual safety catch. It is also supposed to protect against the kind of unintentional discharges that can occur in a life-or-death situation with a light SA trigger pull. It is part of the fundamental design philosophy of the gun. People who don't want it should get a different kind of gun. There are lots of them.

At least, that is how I understand it. To repeat, It was purposely designed to NOT have a S&W revolver or Colt 1911-style SA trigger pull. I guess I can understand how people could really like Glocks but still want a top-notch target gun, but as others have pointed out, that would take a lot of redesign. Including a manual safety or at least a decocker, IMO.

(I think trackskippy made pretty much this same point way back in post #26, but I am trying to say it in a different way.)

Just be aware that if you send your Glock to the Glock factory for repair or an inspection/maintence sefvice, they will replace all after market parts back to factory (OEM) parts and not (necessarily) return your parts. Ask me how know! LOL
Acturally they will normally tell you that before you send it in. Opps, I had forgot I had installed special spring cups and a lighter trigger and trigger bar.

I want a stock Glock 19 MOS with SRO! plain and simple

Mark_Mark said:

I want a stock Glock 19 MOS with SRO! plain and simple

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Mark_Mark, could you help me out? Do you want a Glock Metal Oxide Semiconductor with Standing Room Only? And if so, why?

(I have fallen behind on gun jargon and acronyms, sorry.)

.38 Special said:

I may have been unclear in the OP. It is the single action pull of the Smith revolvers that I like so much; that "breaking glass" feel. I can do without a twelve pound SA pull!

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I think it’s unrealistic to think you can safely carry a striker fire gun without a manual safety that has a trigger equivalent to a very smooth and light SA trigger. Just not safe.

The best aftermarket trigger by far for a Glock is the Timney. But there is much discussion on it not being safe for a carry trigger. I won’t argue that point here. I have one in my G44 trainer and it’s excellent and never fired when dropped multiple times on purpose unloaded as I wanted to see for myself. It seemed safe but still…not in my carry gun.

I have tried several trigger mods. The best I’ve tried is the Johnny Glock.

MCarbo makes some good trigger kit springs and has an excellent video on polishing the internals.

At a minimum, a good polish job and better connector will help, but nothing will get you to the SA trigger break you are looking for.

Good luck…be careful lightening springs as that may cause light primer strikes.

ETA: other than the Timney, my best Glock trigger is in my bone stock G23 that has over 15K rounds through it. Just smooth as heck. But YMMV

N555 said:

Yeah I have noticed that too. First thing people do when they get a glock is start replacing stuff.

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You know what I've had to do to my Colt 1911 Government model.......oil it.

citizenconn said:

You know what I've had to do to my Colt 1911 Government model.......oil it.

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Thats all you should have to do with any of them. All the aftermarket accessory makers, and a LOT of people on internet gun boards, seem to say otherwise.

.38 Special said:

Okay, so I'm a revolver man, but I finally decided to join the 21st century with regard to my carry gun. I was going to switch to a 1911, but there is a high quality training center just a few miles down the road which uses Glocks - converted to lasers and C02 - exclusively, so here I am with my first Glock.

And I get it, for the most part. It's a well-made and well thought out gun, and I'm impressed.

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The slide design is a marvel of simplicity.

The trigger, though, is just awful, especially for a guy brought up on the utter perfection of old S&W revolvers.

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The trigger, however, "is what it is". Liking Glock triggers is "gunny Stockholm syndrome." People say they like it, so they can stay with the cool kid crowd, or just don't know any better.

Is there anything that can be done for the Glock trigger, while remaining safe and appropriate for an EDC gun?

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Buy a Kahr? Much nicer trigger on a glock-ish system with its half tensioned striker. IMHO & YMMV.

I'm all the time hearing about safety problems with this or that aftermarket replacement Glock trigger. All I have done with mine, is replace the factory serrated trigger with a factory smooth face trigger. And shoot it a bunch. Stuff smooths up, your finger numbs up, and you don't really notice.

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(Seriously, just shoot it a bunch and dry fire it a bunch.)

edwardware said:

I may have been unclear in the OP. It is the single action pull of the Smith revolvers that I like so much. .

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I think this may be the universe telling you that you were supposed to be training with the double-action pull all those years. Glocks are unalterably double action.

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"Double-ish". The way gun people on forums classify triggers is messy, and different people do it differently.

And I could shoot my S&W 19-4 double action exclusively, for the rest of my life, and not feel at a disadvantage in any way. It is that nice.

kidneyboy said:

My suggestion - shoot it in its stock configuration for a while (like 1000 rounds) and reassess.

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Very much agree.

The Glock has many virtues, that quite make up for the "kids plastic space gun" feeling trigger.

For you're looking for a space gun the keltech P50 from1 sbr is what you want.

I have no issues with Glock triggers, outside of polishing them up a bit, I leave them stock. Really it's not that bad, I think it's more the idea of getting used to them. One thing I'll say is this, most people who shoots Glocks poorly don't properly use the trigger. Basically stage the trigger like you would a DA revolver, bring the trigger back to the reset point and shoot from there...every. single. time. Once you do that, you'll find that Glock triggers aren't nearly as bad as you once thought.

I changed to a 3.5 connector and spring and a polish job and it made a good difference.

Slamfire said:

Looks like there are are pins, linkages, and sliding surfaces. I don't see how a Glock can be made to have as good a trigger as the single stage on a revolver.

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Well revolvers have pins, linkages and sliding surfaces too but you still are never going to get a Glock to have a SA trigger pull.

For the same reason a garden rake is no good to comb your hair, it was not a consideration during design.

You can make them much better but there are lots of ways to do so and make a less reliable firearm.

I have several first generation S&W M&P pistols (M&P40, M&P357, M&P9Pro, and M&P9JulieGoloski) that all have Apex trigger kits in them. A definite improvement. I also have a Glock 17 without any modifications to the trigger and I am happy with the way it performs.

So, I’d recommend looking into whar Apex has to offer.

Trouble is for me, the voice in the back of my head cannot safely wrap itself around the safety systems built into the trigger so these are great range guns for me.

My SD gun is either an H&K P30SK-V3 trigger (DA/SA) or LEM trigger.

cfullgraf said:

Trouble is for me, the voice in the back of my head cannot safely wrap itself around the safety systems built into the trigger so these are great range guns for me.

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And why crisp, light SA trigger pulls were not a consideration.

They are better than many DA trigger pulls found in other “no other manual saftey” firearms.

I just shot the crap out of my Glocks. Cleaned and lubed after every range trip and once everything wears and seats in, the trigger is not all that bad to me.

And this from a guy that shoots Contenders with better triggers than any of my Smiths.

I'm 63 and had never shot a glock until last week. They hadn't appealed to me but I finally caved in and bought a 43. Took it out to my range and was pleasantly surprised how well I shot it. No idea why but I shot it pretty well, was hitting the 8" gong pretty consistently at 50ft. Trigger felt weird dry firing but felt ok live firing.

Monac said:

Mark_Mark, could you help me out? Do you want a Glock Metal Oxide Semiconductor with Standing Room Only? And if so, why?

(I have fallen behind on gun jargon and acronyms, sorry.)

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ok… I’ll take a 8” wafer in the 6nm wavelength
Why? 8” has less waste chips and defect then 12” with 3nm photolithography. Something the older tech is good enough!

My Glock is not a target pistol. It is my CCW weapon. I train weekly (weather and doctor appointments permitting LOL).
Five (5) seconds from concealed to getting off 2 rounds @ at a silhouette @ 10 yards. I find that I am focusing on the sight picture and not the trigger.

jmorris said:

And why crisp, light SA trigger pulls were not a consideration.

They are better than many DA trigger pulls found in other “no other manual saftey” firearms.

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It is a trade off of a crisp release when you have to shoot the gun versus when you are not planning to engage the gun.

In my case, it is not like I am entering a war zone every time Inleave the house but I must be concerned about collateral concesquences if events get out of hand.

Besides, I practice with the DA/SA gun. I figure rapid deploment will be relatively short range and effective first DA shot does not need to be bullseye competition accurate. Follow shots will be SA.

If things start off at longer ranges, transitionng to SA will be easy and provide adequate accuracy.

I’d just like to point out a trigger doesn’t have to be light to be good, that’s a point many here seem to be overlooking.

As far a the OP’s question, frankly I think the answer is no. The Glock trigger cannot be safely be made what he, and me, would consider good. That’s one of the reasons I don’t own one. It’s a design issue, not necessarily a flaw or problem as some people like it, it’s subjective.
For carry, I compromise with a KAHR that went to Cylinder and Slide and had some trigger work done. It’s easily the best modern striker fired trigger I’ve ever felt and it still leaves a lot to be desired, outside of the modern striker fired world.

DeepSouth said:

I’d just like to point out a trigger doesn’t have to be light to be good, that’s a point many here seem to be overlooking.

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It's a point lost in almost all trigger discussions. Practice and familiarity is what makes a good trigger.

@.38 Special - IMO the gen 5 Glocks have better triggers than prior generations; if you have not tried a gen 5 trigger, think about it.