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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by The Dutchman, Jun 20, 2005.

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  1. The Dutchman

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    I was reading a gun book published by famous shooter and ethusiast Masaad Ayoob. On the chapter of Glocks he said the only weak link pf the design is the trigger spring and he recommends using the NY1 trigger. My question is in actual practice has anyone ever seen one of these break? I love the feel of the stock trigger and i have heard but not experienced that the NY1 has a revolver feel. Is this actually true? Also say you had to have a glock as a sidearm in combat would any of you switch the trigger spring in hopes of increasing reliability?
     
  2. Double Naught Spy

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    Little Mac and I sometimes shoot together and he shoots .45 acp (from whichever #d Glock that is). He has had several trigger springs break in the last year. He basically gets a few thousand trigger pulls before the spring breaks. I have been with him twice when trigger springs have broken.
     
  3. HSMITH

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    I've got over 9000 rounds through my current glock without a problem. I have not seen a trigger spring break in lots of rounds downrange through quite a few glocks.
     
  4. SouthpawShootr

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    I have the NY1 trigger in one (G22) of my 10 Glocks. Have the springs to outfit another 5. I really don't like the NY1. I'm sure I'd like NY2 even less. If by "like a revolver" you mean the trigger pull is heavier, then yes, it is. But I have several revolvers and not one of them has such a crappy double action trigger. :barf: Maybe it's comparable to the trigger pull of a cheap revolver, but it's nothing like the factory DA trigger on my S&W 19 or either of my 686s for that matter. Get a few extra stock trigger springs for replacement and learn how to change the spring (it's really very easy). If this is your carry gun, you might want to talk to an armorer and find out how often Glock recommends this spring be replaced for their LE clients.
     
  5. triggertime

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    I haven't had a trigger spring break on me in over a decade, and I typically dry fire for 30 minutes a day, every day.

    Running a NY1 trigger spring with the 3.5lb connector is often suggested by HSLD Glockists, but its not really necessary, IMO.
     
  6. Onmilo

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    I think the original poster is getting the Glock confused with an article Ayoob wrote about the US Border Patrol Beretta Model 96 pistols which do have a problem with the trigger springs breaking.
    From what I understand this problem has been all but eliminated by installing a Wolff Gunspring trigger spring upgrade kit.
    There are other problems with the Model 96 that are still being addressed.

    NY trigger spring is installed on Glock handguns with heavier than normal trigger pulls to ensure reliable reset of the trigger, not because of any trigger spring breakage problem.
     
  7. matthewdanger

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    I have the NY-1 with a 3.5# connector in my G23. I cut my teeth on revolvers so it is good fit for me. It releases at right around 5 lbs with NY-1 and 3.5# connector, but has constant resistance rather than a lot of slack to take up.

    IMHO the biggest benefit of the NY-1 is that it takes the slack out of the trigger.
     
  8. BsChoy

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    easy fix

    I am a LEO that is issued the G22 and we just found out what to do in case this happens in a fire fight. If you're referring to the trigger reset spring that returnes the trigger to the forward position after you fire it, it is actually not an extremely necessary peice on the glock. All you have to do is pull the trigger to the most rearward position and hold it there and rack the action using the prescribed method (hand over the top of the slide and push-pull the gun and slide) this will rest the gun and it will work without the spring. I have seen this first hand and it works every time.
     
  9. surfinUSA

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    Masaad Ayoob likes to talk alot of ???? about the law too. But last I saw he has no legal schooling. I don't believe his credentials include those of an engineer either.

    Glock trigger springs seen to work forever from what I can see along with most other parts on a Glock. They aren't perfect, no gun is but there is nothing wrong with their triggers either.
     
  10. JohnKSa

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    I've never had one break, and I know of no one personally who's had one break.

    On the other hand, a range where I used to shoot rents Glocks and the armorer says that he replaces a trigger spring now and then.
     
  11. Walt Sherrill

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    Had one break in a Glock 17, once. Once. Only problem I ever had with a Glock. Had one break in a Beretta. Had other things break in other guns.

    Stuff happens.
     
  12. goalie

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    I saw a guy break one at a high-roundcount class last summer. 2,000 rounds in two days. It broke the first day. FWIW, it still fired with the broken spring. I guess it happens enough that the instructor had spare trigger springs with him.

    I now have a polished 3.5 pound connector and a NY-1 trigger spring in my G17 and G26. I especially like it in my G26, as it is still light enough to shoot really well, but it is a little too heavy to be worried about a stress-induced ND. The standard spring and polished 3.5 pound connector that used to be in my G17 resulted in a ridiculously light trigger pull. Not soo great on a HD or carry weapon, but great for gaming though.
     
  13. Bladeandbarrel

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    Have seen 2 at IDPA matches over the past 5 years. Spring fatigue!
    Both were with m-21's
    hmmmmm
     
  14. Zach S

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    Saw one in a 3rd-gen G19. Saw another one in a 3rd-gen G17 (the same less than a year old G17 has broke the spring that holds the take-down two or three times that I know of, launching the hot slide downrange).

    Both of the guns functioned with broken spring, as long as there was pressure on the trigger when it returned to battery. So it wanst noticed until the mag was dry.
     
  15. pax

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    Mine has broken twice on my G26, through which I have put upwards of 12,000 rounds.

    My best shooting buddy's G26 has had a broken trigger return spring once. His G26 has had around 10,000 rounds through it.

    I've felt the NY triggers and just don't like them.

    We keep spare springs on hand.

    pax
     
  16. KLR

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    Agent I work with who has a 1st gen going back to 1989. Probably 7-8000 rounds through it. Intermittent failure only. Worked most of the time then would fail to reset. If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't believe it. Sent it back to Glock for repairs.
     
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    Haven't had one break on me personally, but I have seen one break at qualifications. Not what I would want to happen at the wrong time. I have since replaced the springs on all my Glocks with identical setups - 3.5 connector and NY1 spring. It is firmed up at the beginning of the trigger pull, breaks cleaner, has a snappier reset, no worries of the spring breaking, and the pull weight is comparable to the factory setup. IMO, it is the best setup available for Glocks.
     
  18. Mikul

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    I watched one break last week. That's a malfunction that's difficult to prepare for.
     
  19. Rockstar

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    Per somebody else, a Glock will continue to function without the trigger spring. It's not a trigger return spring; it actually assists in pulling the trigger...the heavier the trigger spring, the lighter the trigger pull. (Not including NY triggers, of course, which, in my opinion, are only fit to be used by folks from NY or with the last name of Ayoob.) :cool:

    The breaking trigger spring syndrome was mitigated by the use of a larger hole in the cruciform, to which the spring attaches.
     
  20. N.M. Edmands

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    I broke 3 trigger springs in my G22 over the course of 10+ years and 100-120,000 rounds. Have had 1 fail in my G23, [20-30,000 rds.] I keep spares in my range bag. I have tried the NY1 and 3 1/2 connector ,and can't decide if I like it or not.
    Also broke 1 trigger pin , 1 locking block, and cracked the reicever on one side above the slide take down latch. All problems were found on cleaning inspections.
    Darn junk, ya just can't make these things run! :evil: [ t-springs on load and make ready]
     
  21. meh92

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    Our department (about 100 officers) was issued G22's and G23's about 3 years ago. To my knowledge, only one gun has failed due to a broken trigger spring. We have the standard 5.5lb trigger setup.

    A few other parts have broken here and there, but overall they seem quite durable and very reliable so far.
     
  22. Joe D

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    First thing I do with a Glock is deburr the hole. Seems to have cured the problem for me. I have not had one break in years. One of my G35s has over 75,000 rds through it without a failure of any kind.
     
  23. SAWBONES

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    In 17 years of owning seven Glocks and shooting uncounted tens of thousands of rounds through them, I've NEVER had a Glock trigger spring break.

    Nonetheless, THE most frequently broken Glock part IS said to be the trigger return spring, AND it's true that a spring is more reliable working in compression (like the "NY" trigger spring) than extension (like the standard spring),

    BUT

    I HATE the NY trigger spring, as it RUINS the trigger pull.
    So, I'll keep right on using the standard trigger spring and not worry about it one bit!

    And FWIW, the Glock will continue to function with the trigger spring broken or out of the gun, so it need not be considered to be of the same importance as would a type of breakage or malfunction that disabled the gun.
     
  24. middy

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    You're a genius!

    Why didn't I think of that? :banghead:

    I've only broken one trigger spring. Hopefully the last, thanks to Joe D.
     
  25. cocojo

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    Some of the early trigger springs did have a breaking problem but that issue was fixed years ago by Glock. I have never had a trigger spring break and even if you do you can still fire the pistol. That's all I use, I also like the original trigger sping. Some people like the 8 lb NY with a 3 lb connector which is a nice set up. Just remember when you install the NY spring the gun field strips just a bit different. You will find the slide doesn't come off the same.
     
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