I’m sure we can find SOMEONE around here to help you pick out a rifle. We’re a big ol’ bunch of enablers!Just sprang for one myself, now I gotta buy a rifle to put it on
I’m sure we can find SOMEONE around here to help you pick out a rifle. We’re a big ol’ bunch of enablers!Just sprang for one myself, now I gotta buy a rifle to put it on
20 MOA will do fine at 100 yards and in, but you'll likely need 30 MOA to get closer to 300 if you think you ever will. Of course this also depends on how much elevation the scope has, but 30 MOA won't hurt a thing, and will get you farther out.
I think I’m just going to go ahead and put an EGW 30MOA rail on while I have everything apart.10/22 barrel droop is a well known issue and Rimfire Central along with many THR members have suggested recommended fixes.
I first tried to see if I could compensate with scope turret adjustment but even with vertical/elevation adjustment maxed out, I still needed to compensate by using reticle lines.
Tactical Solutions X-Ring V-block (Stainless steel, not aluminum) was one of several recommended fixes and IMO better secures the barrel to receiver for reducing group size. TS X-Ring V-block did improve but the scope turret was still maxed out with me using less of reticle lines for compensation.
EGW 20 MOA picatinny rail was one of primary recommendations (In lieu of receiver/barrel replacement/threading) which was much more cost effective solution as I was working on the "Accurizing 22LR on the cheap" thread. And yes, 20 MOA rail returned the scope cross hair back to center of vertical/elevation turret adjustment.
Looking back knowing what I know, I would still get the Tactical Solutions X-Ring V-block and EGW 20 MOA picatinny scope rail for another 10/22 regardless scope used as most 30mm tube scopes have 40 MOA turret adjustment (Why I chose Viridian Serac with 30mm tube and 40 MOA adjustment over Burris FF E1 1" tube with 30 MOA turret adjustment).
For T/CR22, because of built-in picatinny scope rail on the receiver, I chose to go with Vortex Strike Eagle with 80 MOA turret adjustment. Could I have used Strike Eagle on the 10/22 instead of 20 MOA rail? Sure, but $95 for Viridian Serac (I paid $150) and $36 for 20 MOA rail is much cheaper solution than $300 Strike Eagle - https://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-strike-eagle-riflescopes.aspx
I agree. But most of my shooting is done at 50 yards for groups/ammunition comparison testing with occasional 100 yard groups.
I think I’m just going to go ahead and put an EGW 30MOA rail on while I have everything apart.
I appreciate all the input I have gotten on this.
ETA: When did 10/22 barrel droop become a thing? I’d never heard of it until very recently.
Yeah, my 1st 10/22 has been a Killer of Soup Cans, so even if that barrel droops, I have never noticed. I’m trying to build a bit more of a precision rifle with the Sporter, though.It's always been a thing to some degree, some guns and barrels do it worse than others. I think it's become more noticed by the general public because of longer distances, and more precision oriented users.
Higher magnifications go hand in hand with that also.
Most of my old 10/22s were ok with the optics and jobs i asked them to do.
The one I epoxied in had an unusually loose receiver fit, so even with the relatively wide adjustment range of the 2-7 i had on it, i ran out of up. I could also shove it off line by pushing on the side of the barrel.
I should also add i havent put together/owned a 10/22 since 08, so I'm really not at all familiar with the newer ones.
Been shooting 10/22 since the 80s and didn't hear about barrel droop until I started accurizing my Collector #3 that did not come with a barrel band and worked to free float the barrel.When did 10/22 barrel droop become a thing? I’d never heard of it until very recently.
When I installed KSA bull barrel to T/CR22 receiver, I noticed tighter, very snug barrel shank to receiver fit (Almost had to twist fit snug). (KSA bull barrel will slide right into 10/22 receiver)The one I epoxied in had an unusually loose receiver fit
Me either. We just shot ours and were happy, but we didn't have fat add on barrels.ETA: When did 10/22 barrel droop become a thing? I’d never heard of it until very recently.
I think I’m just going to go ahead and put an EGW 30MOA rail on while I have everything apart.
Elevation turret turns max of 7 turns so 6x7=42 so my guess is Viridian Serac has 40 MOA elevation adjustment.
Good question.Is that 30 MOA rail going to allow you to shoot at normal .22 ranges i.e. 50 yards? I'm assuming @LiveLife 's calculation translates to 20 MOA each way from center. You might get lucky and be totally bottomed out at 50. Time will tell.I think I’m just going to go ahead and put an EGW 30MOA rail on while I have everything apart.
That *is* a good question. When I have an answer, I’ll try to remember to report back.Is that 30 MOA rail going to allow you to shoot at normal .22 ranges i.e. 50 yards? I'm assuming @LiveLife 's calculation translates to 20 MOA each way from center. You might get lucky and be totally bottomed out at 50. Time will tell.
When did 10/22 barrel droop become a thing? I’d never heard of it until very recently.
For those curious about 10/22 "barrel droop" - https://www.rimfirecentral.com/thre...4316&nested_view=1&sortby=oldest#post-2394316Me either.
FYI at 50 yards, using Ruger factory picatinny rail I was maxed out on Viridian Serac vertical/elevation turret adjustment and was using reticle lines for holdover and EGW 20 MOA rail put the crosshair back to center of vertical/elevation turret adjustment.
I have been setup to conduct 0.1 gr incremental 100 yard testing while reloading at the range/field for 55/62/69/75 gr (For "brute force" exhaustive work up) out of new 18"/20" .223 Wylde fluted barrel uppers with H335, TAC, BL-C(2) and StaBall Match but it's been pouring rain. (Just trying to find SR primers and powder has been a 3 county multi-month scavenger hunt without success ... I am happy to report, I am now well stocked on Fiocchi SR primers and powders ... Thank you Natchez!)Y'all keep talking .22 lr, ain't they capable of withstanding centerfire recoil? I was hoping to use it on a .308 or maybe something a bit less punishing
VFD-2 reticle
So we now know what VFD-2 reticle is.My "old" Serac reticle looks like the pictured reticle in post #35 but slightly different. It could be that they added more numbered markings on top vertical marks instead of just lines with change in numbering ... will take comparison pictures of old reticle vs new reticle.My reticle.
VFD-2 reticle
Maybe someone more knowledgeable with reticles could explain the two reticle types.Mine has the reticle like in the 2nd pic.
Are they air gun rated?I've had a couple in the cart for the last couple of days and just noticed they have free shipping on $100 optic order, I couldn't find anything optic related that I needed so I just ordered 3 more, I have a couple of rifles that I can try them on and a Benjiman air rifle that needs a new optic, looks like a good deal for a good SFP MOA scope.