DC to ban magazines and clips over 10 rounds

no midsize glocks I see.
guess i can't take my G23 to DC with me.

Coming from a restricted capacity state (NJ and 15 rounds) I find myself ambivalent.

I would love to see Heller and DC's intransigence used to have capacity and cosmetic features BS killed off. This would be a grand basis for challenges in the Garden State and could benefit others states.

On the other hand I see that this law change would finally permit the law abiding in DC access to any category of semi-automatic firearm. This is a NOW fix, not a potential LATER fix for them.

PLEASE contact the City Council in mentioning that the number of rounds in a magazine doesn't make a difference!!!

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No kidding... a criminal who is hell-bent on murder and mayhem only needs one well-placed round to destroy a life. This is the same irrational crap we have seen for years in DC. I'm just glad there is an outside force making the changes happen... even if they are not the changes we are dreaming of.

DKSuddeth,

No problem with your G23, just get a 10 round magazine.

Residents and other community leaders have been overwhelmingly opposed to the court's decision and have asked the 13-member council to make gun laws as strict as possible.

Ronald Moten, co-founder of the anti-violence group Peaceoholics, said the bill would give more young people access to guns. Mr. Moten also said he is disappointed that the city is not fighting to keep current regulations.

"What do we say to the children when we're giving up in a fight that's for them," he asked. "We're supposed to fight this to the end."

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I don't understand how they can possibly be so disconnected from reality. What does banning or restricting the sales/ownership of guns do for our children? It makes them less likely to know the rules of gun safety and more likely to shoot themselves or each other by accident when they do get their hands on them. It's like they're trying to outlaw sunlight to prevent skin cancer.

Council member Tommy Wells, Ward 6 Democrat, said he is undecided and that he has concerns about the Second Amendment, which addresses the right to own a gun.

"It's an antiquated part of the Constitution," he said. "It's about self-defense, not guns. I don't want us to be the battleground for America."

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Um, antiques go up in value if they are respected and treated properly that is...

I'm interested in how the "in common use" clause of the Heller ruling might be used against mgazine bans, and AWBs.

It would be interesting to get even a rough estimate on the agrigate number of so called "hi cap" mags and the percentage of guns that have a capicty potential of greater than 10 rounds. As well as the numbers for agregate EBRs and the percentage of them vis a vis other guns.

Only one FFL in DC willing to transfer handguns

The big problem in DC is the virtual absence of FFLs. We have only one right now willing to transfer handguns - and he charges $125. The DC council and the mayor are against allowing any more and will use their zoning power to accomplish their objectives.

That is why HR 6691 is so important. But it will only work if it gets through both houses of congress. The house of representatives will vote on it later tonight and it will very likely pass.

However, its chances in the senate are less clear. Majority leader Reid would just as soon have it die in the crib. But his problem is he has several pieces of legislation that must pass and this could be a rider on any of them. As I understand the situation, it is a jump ball at the present time.

If a pistol is NORMALLY SUPPLIED with magazine capacity greater than ten rounds it is not a HI-CAP mag, it is a STANDARD capacity magazine. Don't let the antis trick you into using their twisted terminology.

The District's repeated violations of the rules and the Court's orders are intentional, deliberate, blunt, willful and contumacious.

They've been off the constitutional reservation for so many decades now that it is evidently impossible for some to deal with the post Heller culture shock.

Did anyone notice that in their zeal to limit mags to only 10 rounds, they didn't limit the number of mags?

Once the 10 round limit goes into effect. It needs to be challenged in court.

What will likely happen is that Heller may actually either drop the case or file an amended complaint based on the new statutes. He *might* also want to go after the pistol carry licensing law, since that bans both open and concealed carry without license.

Well, I guess if you're limited to 10 rounds, might as well go .45acp rather than a wundernine.

Henry Bowman:
Its better than the usual fishwrapper you find, plus as others have said, its free.

Kharn

I can see why mayor Fenty is so upset. When all guns were illegal in DC it was a very very safe city.

I think we have to challenge the mag limit in D.C.

Like it or not, D.C. is now the model for how Heller will be interpreted for the rest of the country, post incorporation.

We must seize the opportunity to crush the notion that magazine limits are permissible under Heller.

It'll happen, and it'll stand. There's precedent for such restrictions on magazine size, and that's the AWB (yes, it expired, no, it didn't do any good while it was in effect, and yes it'll unfortunately serve as legal precedent for the people pushing this thing).

Ronald Moten, co-founder of the anti-violence group Peaceoholics, said the bill would give more young people access to guns. Mr. Moten also said he is disappointed that the city is not fighting to keep current regulations.

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Uhhh....they tried that and lost. This idiot Moten should look up "DC v. Heller".

Still, its hard to see this as anything other than a win. Not the win we hoped for, but still a win.

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Certainly correct.And more wins will follow until Fenty and Lanier will finally cry "uncle".

Sounds like the residents of DC are going to be buying a lot of revolvers and 1911s.

Nothing wrong with that.

Then why do the cops have them?

This is good news and we should be happy to see it. It wasn't all that long ago that the very notion of buying a handgun in D.C. was impossible - legally. Now they're dropping their absolutely insane definition of "machinegun" and adopting one that tracks more closely with reality.

It's not Pennsylvania yet, but at least it isn't Chicago.

All to the good for the Chicago lawsuit, yet more grist for the case law mill.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall in Daley's office when this came out.......The jowls flailing, the spit flying, the whining and outrage reaching a howling crescendo........

"How dare they do this to ME, don't they know I'M IMPORTANT".......

There's precedent for such restrictions on magazine size, and that's the AWB (yes, it expired, no, it didn't do any good while it was in effect, and yes it'll unfortunately serve as legal precedent for the people pushing this thing).

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NY state AWB is still in effect. No magazines over 10rds unless they are "preban".