oldfool
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not looking to woobie war here
not knocking plastic
(doesn't happen to make my my old eyes twinkle, but that's just an old guy personal preference thing, it's not a religion, you know)
gun makers love the phase "stronger than steel" (and in fine print, "pound for pound", hence true, but "pound for pound" does have relevance)
methinks gunmakers most love plastic because manufacturing costs are lower, not because it is in any way inherently "better/best"
sellers emphasize their good points, avoid statements about maybe not-so-good points, you and I would too
so.. "lighter weight" is always part of the pitch, and generally true (even if/when a tad blocky to get the total strength back up to steel total strength), and lighter can be of very real value to end-user.. sometimes, but not always
All the same can be said, I believe, of airweight alloy, just a matter of degree
I like lighter for carry, same as everybody, but I also like "shootable"
and lighter is, leastways in most cases, not always a plus for "shootable"
If/when it comes to weight vs. shootable, I tend to favor "shootable", not always, but almost always
tiny/light Ruger LCP, just too-convenient-to-carry, but not real "shootable"
(not for most folks, a 7 shot derringer, some folks do get really good with 'em like a buddy of mine, after rebuilding his KelTec once or twice per high round counts, but not me... yet I oft have the LCP on me)
Colt Goverment 380 acp, a dream to carry IWB, all steel, maybe ~23 oz, 2X weight of LCP, and 10X more shootable, and I am willing to wear it as primary and only, and oft do
I would much prefer an all steel LCP and not care the least about the small increase in weight (but would not like the up bump sales price)
I believe the Colt will outlast the LCP, round for round, 10:1
sometimes it just doesn't matter, because I am not going to wear the derringer out training to hit with it like I can with the Colt... not what LCP is for, but it beats the snot out of a traditional 2-shot SA derringer or NAA micro 22
looked at the Ruger LCR, liked trigger, liked lighter carry weight, still "feels" shootable despite plastic/weight (I do steel snubbies, too)
but do not believe it has any hope of ever holding up to the round count that my S&W model 60 can/will (in some part because the plastic ain't near blocky enough)... but it being a CCW compromise (as all CCW ultimately is), I would not wear it out... carry a lot , shoot a little, and if I had the $$$ in pocket woulda' bought it, and would shoot a "lot" of mild 38 wadcutters for practice, and load up 38 sp for carry
just making conversation here
what is your take on the plastic sales pitch ?
kindly keep it non-adversarial, just pros and cons
not knocking plastic
(doesn't happen to make my my old eyes twinkle, but that's just an old guy personal preference thing, it's not a religion, you know)
gun makers love the phase "stronger than steel" (and in fine print, "pound for pound", hence true, but "pound for pound" does have relevance)
methinks gunmakers most love plastic because manufacturing costs are lower, not because it is in any way inherently "better/best"
sellers emphasize their good points, avoid statements about maybe not-so-good points, you and I would too
so.. "lighter weight" is always part of the pitch, and generally true (even if/when a tad blocky to get the total strength back up to steel total strength), and lighter can be of very real value to end-user.. sometimes, but not always
All the same can be said, I believe, of airweight alloy, just a matter of degree
I like lighter for carry, same as everybody, but I also like "shootable"
and lighter is, leastways in most cases, not always a plus for "shootable"
If/when it comes to weight vs. shootable, I tend to favor "shootable", not always, but almost always
tiny/light Ruger LCP, just too-convenient-to-carry, but not real "shootable"
(not for most folks, a 7 shot derringer, some folks do get really good with 'em like a buddy of mine, after rebuilding his KelTec once or twice per high round counts, but not me... yet I oft have the LCP on me)
Colt Goverment 380 acp, a dream to carry IWB, all steel, maybe ~23 oz, 2X weight of LCP, and 10X more shootable, and I am willing to wear it as primary and only, and oft do
I would much prefer an all steel LCP and not care the least about the small increase in weight (but would not like the up bump sales price)
I believe the Colt will outlast the LCP, round for round, 10:1
sometimes it just doesn't matter, because I am not going to wear the derringer out training to hit with it like I can with the Colt... not what LCP is for, but it beats the snot out of a traditional 2-shot SA derringer or NAA micro 22
looked at the Ruger LCR, liked trigger, liked lighter carry weight, still "feels" shootable despite plastic/weight (I do steel snubbies, too)
but do not believe it has any hope of ever holding up to the round count that my S&W model 60 can/will (in some part because the plastic ain't near blocky enough)... but it being a CCW compromise (as all CCW ultimately is), I would not wear it out... carry a lot , shoot a little, and if I had the $$$ in pocket woulda' bought it, and would shoot a "lot" of mild 38 wadcutters for practice, and load up 38 sp for carry
just making conversation here
what is your take on the plastic sales pitch ?
kindly keep it non-adversarial, just pros and cons
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