Tula Ammo now sold at Wal-Mart

So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

Pretty crazy logic there. But to each their own.

Buyer beware with steel cased ammo...YMMV...my AR's "lifetime warranty" does not include use of steel cased ammo. Learned it the hard way with some wolf that sweated into the chamber once...for me, my AK gets the Russian food, I'll keep the AR with Federal. Just my opinion.

I wasn't able to get the Tulammo 9x19 functioning in a friend's MAC11/9 that eats anything. I mean, anything - WWB, Wolf, Brown Bear, HotShot, reloads, hollowpoints, etc. It wouldn't work.

At my Walmart today, Tula was the only .380 they had. It was $5 cheaper than the yellow tags on the empty shelves where the other brands should be. The counter guy says it works in his Bersa... so I'll give it a try.

He did say it was a mite messy.

just started using it, but i have over 500rds of it through my glock 19, and 200rds through the ar, with more to be used this coming week.

So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

Pretty crazy logic there. But to each their own.

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I'd say there is something not right with your as XD, as mine is fine with steel cased ammo.

I've only had one gun so far that just will not run with steel cased ammo, my Kel-Tec P3AT, Kel-Tec was really helpful in sending me spare parts for free to try and resolve the issue. It has been fine with all the brass cased ammo I've tried. But my Ruger LCP is fine with steel cased ammo so I now carry it instead (I've had the P3AT long before the LCP was available, and lived with the issue until now) since is clearly more reliable with more ammo varieties meaning it has probably wider operating margins, I feel a lot better about carrying it (admittedly, its my last choice, but sometimes its all I can hide). Guns that are very small for their caliber are always running near the edge.

A couple of guns have needed a little chamber polishing (I use motorcycle chrome polish). One AR needed an extractor replacement -- the original with worked with brass cased ammo but not steel cased ammo. Comparison of its extractor with ones that worked clearly showed its hook was out of spec, replaced it, no more issues. I could have said "it just don't like this crap ammo" but I investigated the issue and now have a more reliable rifle.

You'll never win a match with steel cased ammo (unless the rules require everyone shoot it ). Not buying it because its not accurate enough for your needs is perfectly fine, but if your gun chokes on it, you are sticking your head in the sand about a problem with its operating margins. I prefer to fix the issue, no skin off my nose if you choose to blame the ammo and ignore the issue. OTOH if you choose accuracy over reliably that is fine, but then its foolish to be even trying steel cased ammo.

I'll try the 7.62x39 in my AK, but I've been VERY pleased with the reliability (2500rds so far without one issue) and price of the Brown Bear HP. It would have to at least match the Brown Bear for me to switch just to drive a mile and grab some at Wal Mart...

Just an update, 500ish rounds of this through my G17 now, and 200ish through my new G19 without a single issue. It is definitely not any dirtier than the Federal I usually shoot, and seems to be loaded hotter than the Federal, although I have not chrono'd this stuff.

Just an update, 500ish rounds of this through my G17 now, and 200ish through my new G19 without a single issue. It is definitely not any dirtier than the Federal I usually shoot, and seems to be loaded hotter than the Federal, although I have not chrono'd this stuff.

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thanks for posting.

So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

Pretty crazy logic there. But to each their own.

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Honestly i do not know, i have over 18,500rds through my xd and surprisingly not a single round has been steel. I have been reloading for .40 for many years. I mainly shoot reloads, ultramax, and wwb. However your post has me wanting to try a box or 2 in my xd just to try it out. I don't think i would have any issue with it, it has ate everything.

I will say this, of all the xd models that have been made, the ones with the most issues have been the .45 models. (when they first came out), second only to the 9mm ported models.

conclusion is if the gun don't work with it I don't want the gun!

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agreed.

I've never had any trouble with Wolf in my XD9 or KT PF-9.

If the ammo doesn't always work, that makes it worth even more. Consider the training value of ammo that will probably fire.

I've run at least 150 (probably more) Tula .45 rounds through my Citadel compact 1911, it eats the stuff like candy. (dirty, dirty candy)
I've run roughly 150 Tula 9x19 rounds through a Kel Tec sub2000 (takes Glock 9mm mags), no ammo-related trouble, some issues with cheapo non-factory mags but that was no surprise and the issues persisted with nicer ammo.
We've run at least 150 through MrsBFD's XD9sc, one problem, and the first time I've seen that gun malfunction ever ... further inspection revealed that primers don't work when shoved into the case sideways.

For the cost savings, I'll take one ammo failure in 450 rounds, and the remaining Tula I have doesn't have any obviously borked primers. The one that was screwed up was obvious with a close look, the primer was a half-moon rather than a full circle, not something I'm generally inspecting for.
Hell, the only way I have to make that XD malfunction is to load snap-caps or empty brass in the mag, anyone displeased with their Tula ammo can send it to me for disposal.

I haven't tried the 7.62x39 out yet, I mostly stock Wolf M.C. HP's in that, so it will be all I have to compare to. And I don't think MrsBFD's mini-14 would like steel-case, so I haven't even picked any of that up so far.

If the ammo doesn't always work, that makes it worth even more. Consider the training value of ammo that will probably fire.

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With some guns, that's true!

Tulammo in .223 from Wally World

I saw how cheap it was so I bought a couple boxes to try in my M&P15. 40 tds not a problem. Ok, I went back & bought more. Still all went bang. I buy 4 boxes now everytime I go there. I've got a stock pile of about 2000 now!!

Food for thought, as a little test I bought a new 3x9 for my Savage .223 varmiter. I sighted in with the Tulammo in 55gr FMJ at 100yrds. Got it zero'd to a nice .50 cent piece group 5rds. With the scope zero'd at 100yrds still with Tulammo I switched to Remington 55gr PSP factory. Beliveve it or not, the scope was still dead on 5rd groups. Everybody knocks the Savage Edge. That's the rifle I'm shooting. Savage Edge in .223.

Since, I've shot 780rds betweenthe Savage & the M&P15 with NO jams or dead fires. Dirty, yes but maybe I'm the only one who thinks cleaning after a great day shooting is part of the fun. Nothing like spending the day putting tds down range & getting home, grab a beer & pull out the cleaning kit!!! I love the smell of gun oil inthe evening!!

never had any trouble with tula or wolf ammo. however, as i am contemplating handloading more and more i stopped buying the steel case ammo. and yes, it is a very dirty ammunition.

Tons of .380 and .45 Tula at the store.

So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

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correct.

This is being discussed at some other enthusiast sites, I searched and did not see that it was mentioned here yet.

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tula is more steel cased garbage from russia. the only people that like it are the same ones that fire wolf through their guns

in fact, tulla is actually made in the same plant in russia where wolf is made. (google it)

spend an extra buck and buy quality ammo instead.

tula is more steel cased garbage from russia. the only people that like it are the same ones that fire wolf through their guns

in fact, tulla is actually made in the same plant in russia where wolf is made. (google it)

spend an extra buck and buy quality ammo instead.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but when it is every bit as reliable, accurate, and not any dirtier than the more expensive stuff, why would I pay more?

I shoot IDPA 2 days a week, so cheap ammo is always welcome. If I only shot monthly, or quarterly, I would probably spend the extra $1 per box, but in my situation, it makes sense to save the money.

Id shoot gravel threw my gun if it will fire reliably.
I put 50 rounds of Tula 230gr .45 with a few other crap ammo threw my new RIA CS 3.5" Officers 1911 to try and make it fail and it ate everything. I also shot 50 Blazer aluminum and 50 PMC brass.
Even digested a mag full of Winchester Ranger 230gr HP's that had a decent amount of bullet setback that my full sized 1911 likes to do to ammo if its cycled more than twice.
If the gun can eat all that crap and not choke im pleased.

I also found the Tula .45 to seem underpowered, It cycled fine but i could definitely tell it didn't have the recoil the other loads had.

You are entitled to your opinion, but when it is every bit as reliable, accurate, and not any dirtier than the more expensive stuff, why would I pay more?

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With the fact that I found so many of the rounds had dud primers, I just don't trust the stuff for anything but screwing around at the range. If an open-bolt SMG won't fire it, no gun will. The primers were dead.

PTK, who is claiming it is for anything other than screwing about at the range?

Id love to meet the guy who carries Tula in a gun for SD/HD, I don't know what id do or say but rest assured it would be funny.

If a gun cant shoot steel cases without damage id be looking into why the gun is weak in that area.
Also i wont be buying much more Tula until i find an indoor range that allows the use of steel cases, The one i normally uses wont allow it. Im looking for a new range tho.

If i do experience a Squib i will NOT buy it anymore, But dud primers don't scare me.
IMO its cheap and available and it makes the guys who reload stop following me around like im a broken ATM spitting out dollars.

So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

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It is an Eastern European design, I'm sure they thought about commie steel cased ammo when they designed it.

So to be clear, my XD, which up until the Tula ammo has functioned flawlessly with any ammo I threw at it, is now defective because it will not run one specific type of cheap ammo. So by that logic, it is impossible that the ammo could be to blame, so each round produced in the facility that makes Tula is 100% perfect, and every firearm that chokes while using it is to blame.

You guys sure have a lot of faith in the QC department of a Russian ammo plant.