Gordon_Freeman
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Has anyone tried the new laser attachment for the NAA mini revolvers? I just can't hit a target with these guns.
I don't see how shooting a mini revolver with a 2" barrel would be different from shooting a J-frame with the same barrel in the same caliber. Some of the NAA line do have a usable sight, so the accuracy should improve.
Has anyone tried the new laser attachment for the NAA mini revolvers? I just can't hit a target with these guns.
I have the Laserlyte on my .22/.22 Mag Mini Master. Still in the process of adjustment and have to find a indoor range but as far as using the .22 Mag, I'll stick with th .22 LR because the recoil of the .22 mag is causing the laser sight to become loose as well as the new locking pin NAA just installed.Has anyone tried the new laser attachment for the NAA mini revolvers? I just can't hit a target with these guns.
I agree with the standard rosewood grips you get the best concealability which is what these guns are for up front and point blankTough call...With the .22LR mini, I'm inclined to stick with the standard bird's head grips (mine are the black rubber, which provide a bit of extra "tacky" surface). I'm thinking with the .22LR mini, you're looking for maximum concealability versus trying to squeeze out a little bit extra stability and accuracy.
Just IMHO...
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I didn't know Hornady made Critical Defense in .22 Mag. Do they have it in .22LR?I prefer the folding holster grip for mine for several reasons. Now, to deploy, if you practice, it can be quite fast. I can deploy mine IN my pocket if I have it stuck muzzle down in my Blackhawk No 4 pocket holster that I carry my P11 Kel Tec in. It allows for a full grip of the gun and gives much better point shooting.
As to accuracy with the sights, my two standard 1 7/8 ounce guns will shoot accurate enough at a full 25 yards, but the sights are rough to acquire and slow and the range isn't going to be 25 yards in any rate. I CAN and have shot rabbit at 20 yards and a snake's head from 10 ft with the little 1 7/8" .22LR, though. For that I had time to use the sights and I didn't happen to have a more suitable weapon on me at the time. Actually, since the little .22 is an always gun, it's taken lots of critters like possum and coon around the place. I'm quite confident with it IF I have light and can see the friggin' sights on that thing.
The BW I carry every Sunday as my church gun so as to be totally unnoticable in a suit pocket is quite able to shoot 3.5" 5 shot groups to POA at 25 yards off a rest. That's almost as good as my M85SSUL Taurus ultralight and my Radom P64 and every bit as good as my Kel Tec P11 9x19 which is quite accurate, too. Anything that will hold 4" at 25 off a rest is a good self defense accurate gun IMHO. After all, holding them up to each other, the sight radius of the BW isn't THAT much shorter than the little Taurus. But, what's really good about the BW for self defense is that the longer, flat, wide top of the barrel on the BW makes it easier than the smaller guns to point shoot from 3-7 yards. Other than having to cock the thing, which I do instincively, it's about as fast on target as a DA revolver, but you do have to practice that single action hammer cock. I started out over 40 years ago with SA guns, though, so it's sort of natural for me. Heck, I've drawn DA guns before to shoot in a hurry and cocked the friggin' hammer not really intending to, but I was on auto pilot. Fortunately, I don't seem to try that with guns that don't have hammers, the auto pistols, anyway.
Anyway, I consider the BW as a viable defense gun just on my abillity to hit with it. No, I'd rather have my .38 or my 9x19 if I got in a gun fight, but I know I can put a shot where it counts FAST with the BW. That's why it's a primary gun for me on special occasions and my little .22 just rides as back up to whatever I'm carrying for a primary. Certainly ain't the power of the cartridge that gets it the vote, but that is considerably more than .22LR. I have not yet been able to get some of the new Hornady Critical Defense in .22 mag, yet, either, for testing, but CCI shoots to POA in my gun with the reported accuracy. The little fart seems to be quite picky about what it likes, though, and the Hornady 30 grain +V is maypop in the gun, so I want to test a couple of boxes of that new Hornady before switching to it, if I do. I think a well placed bullet is more important than advertizing hype, after all.
I've played with that little .22LR for 25 years now and fully know my capabillities with it. It's a good little back up, but the BW is MUCH easier to make hits with fast, either with the sights or point shooting, at least with me shooting them. All three of mine have the folding holster grips. I really like this addition. Even my BW sports the holster grip.
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As to accuracy with the sights, my two standard 1 7/8 ounce guns will shoot accurate enough at a full 25 yards, but the sights are rough to acquire and slow and the range isn't going to be 25 yards in any rate. I CAN and have shot rabbit at 20 yards and a snake's head from 10 ft with the little 1 7/8" .22LR, though. For that I had time to use the sights and I didn't happen to have a more suitable weapon on me at the time. Actually, since the little .22 is an always gun, it's taken lots of critters like possum and coon around the place. I'm quite confident with it IF I have light and can see the friggin' sights on that thing.
Ok I got this mixed up. I do have Hornady .22 MAG rated at 30 grains at 2,200 fps but they aren't Critical Defense kind.You can use a punch to get windage on with the dovetailed Novaks like my BW (see pic) has. I just have to hold a weird sight picture with my super companion, but can hit with it. The .22 I filed down to hit POA with Federal Lightening, which seems to work best in the little gun.
Hornady just put the .22 mag critical defense on their site a couple months ago. No .22LR as yet. I was told by a LGS just today that it could be several more months before it hits the shelves. Check out Hornady's site, impressive hype there and a jello pick of it penetrating about to the same depth as their .380 CD ammo. IF it works in MY gun, I'll use it, but like I say, good hits and going bang every time are of most importance. And, at least in .22 mag, the critical defense is affordable.
These rounds are different than the .22 Mag rounds I have which are pointed and sharp. So now we have something new to play with.
Ok I got this mixed up. I do have Hornady .22 MAG rated at 30 grains at 2,200 fps but they aren't Critical Defense kind.
What is the life of a .22 LR round? What is the best conditions it should be stored?Yeah, the stuff I tried is the Hornady +v 30 grain designed for varmint hunting with a rifle. The new CD ammo uses a 45 grain bullet. That 30 grain stuff wouldn't even hit paper at 25 when it did go bang, either, way off POA. If it misfired, happened every cylinder with at least one, it'd always bang on the next hammer fall, so the ammo just seems to have tough rims.
As to .22 not going bang, I change my ammo, especially in summer, every week. In a hot, sweaty pocket, the stuff will go dud on you after a month or so in my experience. I get always bangs in the little NAA by doing this, very low risk of a click when the trigger is pulled. But, yeah, rimfire is susceptible to moisture in a sweaty pocket. I just take these rounds that I've rotated out of the mini and fire 'em off at the range.
The magnum gun, I rotate the rounds out about every 3 months since I only carry it on Sundays and every now and then for a special occasion. I sorta trust it more, but haven't proven that it's more moisture resistant than the .22LR's heal seated bullets, yet. I suspect it is more resistant, but I wanna prove that before I believe it. Anyway, heck, I rotate out (or actually SHOOT) my centerfire carry ammo more often than that.
CCI is the most consistantly primed, but the little NAA and some of my other rimfires do fine with Federal. BUT, in my Ruger Mk 2 in particular, Federals will click occasionally. I think it's the width of the firing pin, more prone to missing the priming in an inconsistantly primed rim. I have an old Ramline Exactor (don't laugh ) that is maypop with Federal and always goes bang with CCI.
All heal seated .22 ammo, that'd be short through LR, are susceptible to moisture, though. I've had CCI on the shelf for over 20 years that was fine, so long as it was stored in the AC. It's hot and humid down here in the summer and if stored out in the shop, it will eventually deteriorate after not too many years. But, a sweaty pocket is about the worst environment imagineable for heal seated bullets. After a month carried daily, I can assure you there will be misfires. Changing 'em out each week, they're fine.
So heat is the enemy?
Just think leaving the .22 LR in the car on hot summer days?
At ten feet do you use the factory sights on the Black Widow or do you point shoot?I use the Black Widow for my everyday carry piece in Florida. It really works well as a compromise. Easily concealed even in flimsy shorts & shirt. Stainless steel handles the humidity well. I haven't done a lot of long-distance shooting, but with .22 LR I can hit quarter-sized targets all day long from 10 feet.
With the .22Mag cylinder, it's got quite a pop. Seems to do about 2x the damage as the same gun with the best LR ammo. Not the greatest SD round in the world but I think it can be quite effective.