Beam Me Up, Scotty, Another Judge Clone

For effective .410 pistol fun in the field, just get a .410 barrel for your contender. They'll take game up to 25 yards. They have a removable choke that stops the rotation of the shot string. I don't actually HUNT with mine, but I do play with it shooting starlings and such now and then. I've taken a running rabbit at about 17 yards with it, before.

goon said:

I wonder why they didn't install a loading gate...

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Yeah, wth??



That makes no sense at all.

Aside from getting munitions company's to rethink their .410 offerings (I am sure some long gun owners appreciate this), I am seriously hoping the popularity of these things will bring the price of 45LC down for the rest of us. Win win situation

Originally Posted by goon
I wonder why they didn't install a loading gate...

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hmmm kinda makes for a poor design dont it? oo thats why you cant point it up?

Yeah. Looking at the rear of the cylinder it seems to be designed so you could get your fingertips around the rim of fired casings and probably pull them out, at least until the chambers start to get dirty.
So that, along with the experiments on patterning density, show that someone at least had his or her thinking cap on while designing this gun.
It doesn't make sense that they'd leave something off that's been working well for over a hundred years.

I contacted the company and invited them to register and join in on this discussion.

Okay, it's kinda cool and will be a neat collectible gun, but why is there a tactical version (M4-410) of an old west styled single action revolver?

I certainly understand buying a fun gun that has not optimal use. See my NAA 22S minirevolver!

However, the idea proposed that this gun is somehow more powerful because of the birdshot or even 00 having some extreme shock value isn't really viable. It's not a 12 gauge.

Again, shooting something at most people probably carries the day. The problem as stated well by others is that newbies think it is superweapon.

Also, that load pattern is ridiculous in the description. It flies in the face of legal doctrine and utility. If you fire at a person, you are not wanting to 'warn' that person.

Also, that load pattern is ridiculous in the description. It flies in the face of legal doctrine and utility. If you fire at a person, you are not wanting to 'warn' that person.

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Amen!

A gun is not a bull horn, a newspaper, a television, a radio or any other form of communications equipment. You do not use a gun to "warn" someone. When you drop that hammer, you're using deadly force -- and the situation better meet the legal criteria for use of deadly force.

When you say "I shot to warn him," what you're really saying is, "The situation did not meet the criteria for use of deadly force, but I used deadly force anyway. Lock me up."

I still don't understand why they didn't put in a loading gate. If the cylinder rotates to the left, perhaps they did it so you could have a visual verification of what round is to be fired next. But other than that, I don't understand.

Not my cup of tea, but it appears to be really well made at least.

An impulse buy, 6/13:



I shot it with the OEM boots 6/14 - cleaned it and installed my 'extra' set of Hogue made-for-S&W .460/.500 Magnum monogrips that night. I shot it again 6/16 - much better. Both times, I shot a range of .410's; .45 Colt & Schofield; and UMC 230gr .45 ACP ball ammo, which must be moonclipped (Same 'clips as my 625JM.). It comes with x2 'clips, so an assortment of ammo can be loaded at one time. The recoil was easily managed with those grips - the DA trigger pull was too much for my wife.

I checked S&W Accessories 6/13 - they had a DeSantis OWB leather holster - it arrived 6/20 - fits great - not a CCW, however! And - the tritium Night Sight is bright! Should be a good HD revolver - for me.
Yeah, it's an ugo...

Stainz

I'm interested Stainz! You've got to do some more testing for us! How's accuracy with acp and Colt loads? How's the .410 pattern? I think it could be a decent barn gun for me, .410 for rats and snakes, Colt or ACP for larger vermin, including the two-legged variety.

The problem is, a handgun is for carrying. If this isn't suitable for carrying on a daily basis, then it's relegated to home defense. But for home defense, a full-size shotgun is a much better choice.

Yeah, but a shotgun isn't always handy. I've frequently viewed these guns aa more pest control/survival guns with a little bit of home or car defense thrown in.

Yeah, but a shotgun isn't always handy. I've frequently viewed these guns aa more pest control/survival guns with a little bit of home or car defense thrown in.

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If you plan to defend your home, you have to have a plan. The plan should include having a shotgun handy.

Vern Humphrey said:

The problem is, a handgun is for carrying. If this isn't suitable for carrying on a daily basis, then it's relegated to home defense. But for home defense, a full-size shotgun is a much better choice.

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full-sized shotguns are are always a better choice but you can't hide them under a magazine or stash one in a kitchen drawer. a handgun is for being handy.discretion is a tactic too.

full-sized shotguns are are always a better choice but you can't hide them under a magazine or stash one in a kitchen drawer. a handgun is for being handy.discretion is a tactic too.

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A handgun, to be ready in an emergency, needs to be on your person, not under a magazine or stashed in a kitchen drawer.

Well said. And why hide a crappy handgun anyway? It's been shown that those gun have significant spread of shot. Who says that in HD, you won't have to shoot with some precision.

Even with shotguns, my recent training experience is emphasizing rounds that have better pattern control to avoid spreading the pellets out too much. It's the old, fill the room with a pattern BS.

Tom Givens did the definitive analysis of these guns in SWAT. To continue to push them as some super HD gun is ridiculous.

The problem is, a handgun is for carrying. If this isn't suitable for carrying on a daily basis, then it's relegated to home defense. But for home defense, a full-size shotgun is a much better choice.

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varmints? doesnt look like a bad woodchuck gun to me either. or theres always just for fun too.

If you plan to defend your home, you have to have a plan. The plan should include having a shotgun handy.

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you have a shotgun handy in every room, car, boat or etc.?

This is also a personal discretion thing, wether or not you feel this could be used in a HD/SD situation. All opinion type stuff, but a good conversation.

Because the generally ignorant and gullable public buys them.

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Let's try gullible. In general, that sums up the opinion of the uneducated Internet Commandos. They have arrived at a conclusion based on their own prejudices, and nobody can shake that with something as stupid as the facts.

The gun, any one of them, is fun to shoot. Use it as you see fit if you want one. New shooters, old shooters, whatever. It's not likely that they will buy one, load it up, and then never shoot it until they are in trouble. If they do, then no gun will help them.

If you plan to defend your home, you have to have a plan. The plan should include having a shotgun handy.

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Really? Is that written some where? It it is, please provide some proof. We have a plan in our house. It doesn't include a shotgun. Instead, it includes a Reising Model 50, and an M14. Look them up. One is for distance, or armored assailants, the other for suppressive fire, or utilizing the .45 ACP in longer barrels. There are also major caliber pistols accessible in rooms, an alarm system, and a safe room. Does that mean that we're doomed to failure because we didn't include a shotgun?

Please, these "ex-spurts" just crack me up.

Vern Humphrey said:

A handgun, to be ready in an emergency, needs to be on your person, not under a magazine or stashed in a kitchen drawer.

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what type of holster do you use in the shower? is your shotgun ready and on your person? i don't worry about gangs pulling drivebys or crackheads kicking in my door. i have snakes and possums coming in when i leave my doors open.our lives are different, our needs are different, and our tactics are different. the irony is around here they think i'm paranoid

New shooters, old shooters, whatever. It's not likely that they will buy one, load it up, and then never shoot it until they are in trouble.

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Unfortunately, I believe that a lot of people buying guns for self defense rarely shoot them. Even for people who conceal carry, I know several for whom the last the time (only time?!) they shot their gun was when they qualified for their permit.

That's the only thing about Judge-type revolvers that really bothers me--people buying them who will rarely/never shoot them or understand the gun's limitations.

I'm afraid that some folks think that a .410 revolver is magic, and that just because it shoots a shotgun shell that it must be just as good as a full-size 12ga. Think that nobody could be that ignorant?--well, I heard that EXACT conversation between two guys at the gun counter @ a local store while deciding on buying a Judge.

For fun, the Judge is probably just great. But that's not how it's being marketed (or bought).

For a nitwit, moron, or member of the gullible public, I am a pretty good shot and CC either a 296 or a 642 24/7 on my person. I did carry a 625MG with the 250gr GDJHP's shown with the Governor earlier - in my Jeep. My bedside protector is a 4" 64 and whichever CCW I had that day. My wife has her own firearms, including a 2" 10, a PPK/s, and a Seecamp .32 for her CCW. The Governor is my first ever shotgun... and I'll be 63 next month. Our drills keep us 'on our toes' - and I feel confident of surviving most any 'normal' attack.

Stainz

PS I don't care what others think of my purchase of a Governor, I have always answered to myself first. I still like the ugly thing!

moonpie said:

what type of holster do you use in the shower? is

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