Uh oh... the zombies are coming.

zombies > tactical.

Today might be the wrong day to talk about how ineffective our Jihadist enemies are.

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Yes, But I'd barely compare them at current to Cold War-era USSR.
The closest thing to that is North Korea. Bonkers, but I don't think they're worth building shelters over.

Pistol grip+fixed butt stock+pump action shotgun=teats on a bull.

Judging by the threads on here, I'd say we have some confused people.

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generation gap.
An older gentleman walked into a gun shop while i was looking at a kriss 45. he said "what the heck are you gonna do with that." and looked at me with what appeared to be disgust lol. well its a 45 acp rifle that takes glock mags so assuming that it functions well you could do anything you can do with a 1911 or other 45acp firearm.
maybe this story relates, maybe not.

See, instead of having a traditional gun culture, one where the kid gets a bb gun and then a .22 and goes shooting with dad, we now have kids that don't come from firearms backgrounds, but they do have a playstation. They go to college and become of age. Without that traditional background, without military training, without competitive training, they get firearms but don't know what to do with them. What are they REALLY used for?

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Interesting point, it describes me exactly. I think the first thing that ever got me really interested in guns was Goldeneye 007 on the N64. From there just about my entire gun education has been from asking questions on forums, reading online articles, and adapting what I read to solo practice on the range.

I grew up in the furthest thing from traditional gun culture, and in some ways I envy those who did. I like reading about people growing up in the country and using firearms daily as a way of life, and I lurk on the hunting forum because I love reading the stories there. It seems there are two sides to it though; on the other hand it is so much easier to find empirical, factual gun information from the mass of online shooters than from the 3-4 grizzled old guys at the gun store, or dear old dad's limited store of knowledge.

As far as zombies go, it's just a currently socially acceptable outlet for aggression, like pro football.

No Daniel you are not getting old. The current zombie hunters have not grown up. Some of them really believe the guano they are being fed. We have some come out to the range every year. They could not hit their rear with both hands. They are pathetic with their ability.

zdc1775 said:

Ok I have to ask but why have zombies, zombie apocalypse, and zombie hunting invaded the gun culture so much recently? I even had an employee at the LGS tell me that there was nothing better for the zombies than the XD 9 SC I was buying as a gift for my wife. It seriously almost made me walk out because it wasn’t like he was trying to make a joke about it; he even told an old couple the same thing about ten minutes later while I was waiting on the NICS check.

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Zombie culture has gotten big, and much of zombie culture revolves around practical, realistic solutions to a zombie outbreak. Max Brooks' book, as well as other copycats, several video games, many online video series... and every group of zombie film enthusiasts spends a fair amount of time discussing what they'd do "if it really happened." So, guns come up a lot.

I got into firearms because of films, specifically zombie films. Now I'm no longer known by friends and locals as "the filmmaker who's into zombies," I'm "the filmmaker who's into zombies and guns." So what? You shoot at targets, I'll shoot at targets.

Honestly, think about the in-depth discussions people have about snap decision situations of home invasions, street attacks, etc. I'd say most of us here are as likely to become Paul Kersey and get attacked every time we leave our apartment as we are to live through a zombie apocalypse. But it justifies our hobby and gives us something to think about. So, more power to em.

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Yeah, I don't really get the zombie stuff either. I do understand that maybe it markets stuff to the new generation, but it could be detrimental. To me, it kind of blurs the line between video games and reality, and some people might be better off with a little more definition.

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This one doesn't have zombies.

This one does.

Which do you think, historical levels or zombie levels, has got more people interested in firearms? Which "blurs the lines of reality" less? Which one of these questions matters, at all?

Strykervet said:

See, instead of having a traditional gun culture, one where the kid gets a bb gun and then a .22 and goes shooting with dad, we now have kids that don't come from firearms backgrounds, but they do have a playstation. They go to college and become of age. Without that traditional background, without military training, without competitive training, they get firearms but don't know what to do with them. What are they REALLY used for?

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My dad's a great guy, and very cautious with firearms. That said, he doesn't have any "military training," though he was in the military for a while, and definitely no "competitive training." His father was abusive and, thank god, never owned a firearm. His training is common sense. Putting that into perspective, not every father has that (you don't need to apply for a license or have any specific qualifications to procreate). I wouldn't say "traditional backgrounds" count for jack. Seriously, they're into firearms now. Be happy or ignore them. Either one.

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Judging by the threads on here, I'd say we have some confused people. They go from no firearms, no gun culture, straight to tacticool. They have no other justification than tacticool, I have it, and of course, zombies. That is what they are used for on the video games, right?

That is the problem I see with it. That our pastime is growing is good, how it is growing I'm not so enthusiastic about. The disconnect is disconcerting.

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Is this just a selfrighteous thing? Seriously, I'm absolutely failing to see your point. How is your background with firearms in any way superior to anyone else's? People meet their hobbies in different ways. Who cares?

oletymer said:

No Daniel you are not getting old. The current zombie hunters have not grown up. Some of them really believe the guano they are being fed. We have some come out to the range every year. They could not hit their rear with both hands. They are pathetic with their ability.

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That's why they're at the range, champ. You sucked at one point, too.

Yeah, I don't really get the zombie stuff either...
The stock? Eh. I guess somebody thought "M4 shotgun stock" needed a cool name.

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This captures my own thoughts on the matter. Very well put.

Well, regardless, if people are buying guns because they're afraid of OBAMA clamping down, or to protect their loved ones, home defense, hunting or ZOMBIES or to just hang on the wall............

They are buying and shooting guns, that's ALWAYS a good thing!

This segment of the population is doing our share of helping the economy!

My wife is an ex-Marine but a funny bird. I am not allowed to shoot at sillouttes but zombies are ok. So what do I shoot at sometimes? This does not mean I am a nutjob? Just a gun owner having a little fun at a fictional characters expense.

I have an 870 passed down to me that has a metal fold over the top stock marked LE only. Nightmare to shoot as it hurts. No cheek weld except on the flat metal part of the thing. I have been looking for a replacement and the M4 type stock is an idea. I can still have the ability to store it in a smaller config and adjustable for smaller shooters.

I think $100+ cost is a little much though!

As far as zombies I guess if you are prepared for the roaming dead population then home defense is covered. I think the CDC put out a zombie preparedness list?

Yup they did!
Preparedness 101: Zombie Apocalypse
http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011/05/preparedness-101-zombie-apocalypse/

BTW I saw the Walking Dead from netflix last week on DVD and it was better than expected.

I'm a young-ish shooter. Well, compared to most, ok, I'm young. Yet, when I first bought and fired my 12ga coach gun, and was asked to comment on what I thought of it, the most appropriate response I could think of was "This is my BOOM stick!" Does that make me a bad shot? Or a liability? Or an idiot?
I'll own up to being a dork. Accuse me of anything more and you'd better have a good explanation.

WaltonS said:

I'm a young-ish shooter. Well, compared to most, ok, I'm young. Yet, when I first bought and fired my 12ga coach gun, and was asked to comment on what I thought of it, the most appropriate response I could think of was "This is my BOOM stick!" Does that make me a bad shot? Or a liability? Or an idiot?
I'll own up to being a dork. Accuse me of anything more and you'd better have a good explanation.

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BOOM AWAY!

Nobody should have a problem with that!!!

I always joke about the zombies, cause most of my gear is war gear (but I'm retired with no one to go to war with). My neighbor is a paramedic in a blighted northeastern city and one day she said to me, "you know, at first I thought you were joking about zombies but after this last tour, I've seen the zombies" She was talking about the drugged out inhabitants who have lost all pretense of human civility. They prey on each other when they pass out. They'll kill you for a pair of sneakers. She also said they had more than one druggie passed out in the road almost naked. When he passed out his "neighbors" stole everything he had.
So maybe I knew something but didn't realize it. Anyways I do my darndest to stay out of such blighted holes, zombie gear or not.

Somebody at Brownell's obviously has a sense of humor. Briley at one time listed a "wabbit" choke that looked like a funnel.

I have an 870 passed down to me that has a metal fold over the top stock marked LE only. Nightmare to shoot as it hurts. No cheek weld except on the flat metal part of the thing. I have been looking for a replacement and the M4 type stock is an idea. I can still have the ability to store it in a smaller config and adjustable for smaller shooters.

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I have one also in stock configuration so I am not selling it. If you do want to change your stock you can get about $150 for your folder on gunbroker.

People getting interested in shooting is always cool.

I just find it odd that people prescribe a fictional universe to their choices and decisions regarding firearms (it's delusional if taken even remotely seriously). If you're afraid of threats to your body from external factors, it's going to be from other humans and/or animals that actually exist. If you live in the country, it's something like a pack of wild dogs and/or people. If in the woods, bears, dogs and/or people, and if in the city/suburbs, it's going to be people and/or dogs. Humans will often arm themselves (no unarmed lumbering zombies here), and animals can kill you very quickly if you're caught unawares (which is often the case), so these are the threats people should train for. You train for these threats, and you read your state's criminal code to know what's justifiable in regards to self-defense.

If all you like doing is blasting away [safely], then cool. If it's hunting, plinking, and/or other recreational activities, again, cool (safely I might add).

Daniel said:

People getting interested in shooting is always cool.

I just find it odd that people prescribe a fictional universe to their choices and decisions regarding firearms (it's delusional if taken even remotely seriously). If you're afraid of threats to your body from external factors, it's going to be from other humans and/or animals that actually exist. If you live in the country, it's something like a pack of wild dogs and/or people. If in the woods, bears, dogs and/or people, and if in the city/suburbs, it's going to be people and/or dogs. Humans will often arm themselves (no unarmed lumbering zombies here), and animals can kill you very quickly if you're caught unawares (which is often the case), so these are the threats people should train for. You train for these threats, and you read your state's criminal code to know what's justifiable in regards to self-defense.

If all you like doing is blasting away [safely], then cool. If it's hunting, plinking, and/or other recreational activities, again, cool (safely I might add).

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You wanna talk delusional? Check out half the threads concerned with "potential incidents" and "possible scenarios" in Social Situations. They're just about as likely as any story arc from a horror film.

Let them eat cake. I was unaware it hurt anyone.

My Opinion

Just makes law abiding shotgun owners look like fools. More fuel for anti-gun crowd.

zdc1775 said:

Ok I have to ask but why have zombies, zombie apocalypse, and zombie hunting invaded the gun culture so much recently?

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It depends on your definition of "zombie". If "zombie" to you means the classical, brain-eating, walking-(un)dead sci-fi concept, then yes, the whole thing is kind of foolish.

If you consider a "zombie" to be more of a mindless, walking-stupid sort of person, then the "horde" can be found anywhere, from the general public, to the malls and walmarts, and so forth. They're everywhere, they're stupid, and stupidity in mass quantity is always potentially dangerous and threatening.

so far this has been a good thread

Nobody is going to say it, so I guess I'll chime in.. How exactly is this different from dressing like a cowboy and making believe that your first 22 was for zapping bandits?

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lol

As if learning from dad is going to give them good habits regarding safety and shooting technique.

I'd much rather they get online and learn from fellow shooters on the major forums, or from a good book, than learn from dad. Dad probably has his finger on the trigger anytime the gun is in hand and his advice probably includes things like shooting in the leg for non lethal force or dragging dead bodies into your home.

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Well now that is exactly what I'm talking about. The tradition is broken in a lot of families. I did learn the basics from my dad. There was no "online" when I learned to shoot. If you learned from a community of shooters, you learned it on the range. How children usually got to ranges in those days was via parents. Usually the dad.

The only thing I learn at the range (besides my trigger control ) somedays is how delusional some people are about firearms...

"Yikes, that's a 45!!! You could shoot someone in the pinky...."
"Wow, your little 22 seems more powerful than my 38...."
"That bulk ammo sucks, you should use...."

Hopefully the range was different in "those days"