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I dont have an ar, and i have never shot an ar. I was thinking though since you can swap multiple uppers on a single lower reciever, why dont you buy about 4 uppers and 1 lower. You could carry the uppers in a specialized pack, and then switch them as the scenario changed. You could carry around a 16in. carbine length 6.8 spc, and throw on a 24in. 223 upper for long range precision. Then you could switch over to a 50 beowulf or .458 SOCOM for smashing vehicles. Then you could throw on a .300blk for quiet stopping power. This just seems like it would be a common thing, but I can't find evidence of anyone doing it. I mean really, you could handle anything you came across. You wouldnt have to compromise on caliber and lose any ability. Anything you came across you would have the perfect round for. Seems like a great idea. I know you cant change out the uppers in just a couple of seconds, but how long would it take? Even if it would take a minute, having 3-4 uppers in a special compartment in your pack would seem to make sense in WROL or zombie outbreak.
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Switch-barrel rifles & multi-caliber AR's have always seemed like a good idea, on the surface.

In actual practice?
You would be looking at a minimum of 50 pounds extra weight for such a set-up.

Nobody is going to carry around four uppers & optics or sights, possibly two or three different types of magazines, and four different kinds of ammo for them.
Unless they employ a wheel-barrow or little red wagon to carry all of it in.


As such, the extra barrels or uppers, mags, and ammo are always going to be somewhere else when you really really need to change them.

rc
 
That sounds fine until you realize for every extra upper you have you can spend about $250 for a lower, parts kit, and stock and go ahead and complete the rifle. Politics as they are it is more tempting to have extra lowers personally.
 
The ability to swap uppers at home, or home base, is nice but to carry around is not very practical. Quick change barrels like the ACR or AUG is better but still not very practical to lug around.
 
Yep, lowers are the cheap part. I sometimes swap if I want a certain trigger group.

FWIW the 458 socom is better than the .30 cal uppers at quite stopping power. Once you go subsonic the only way to get energy back is bullet weight and no one makes a 600 grain .30 cal bullet.
 
Well if we say each upper averages about 8lbs. with scope (very very generous average, most would be lighter though. Some wouldnt need scopes, they would use eotechs or aimpoints. Weight would also be saved by using short, 16 or 18in. barrels.) and your complete lower is 3.5lbs, you are carrying 35.5lbs of gun. Out of that, 11.5lbs is in your hand already. That means 24lbs in your pack. Now then, ammo. You wouldnt need but 1 or 2 mags for the Beowulf or the SOCOM, and that mag/mags could be a low cap mag. So lets say you carry 3 mags for the 6.8, a couple of 20 rounders for the long range 223, and 3 mags for the blackout. Thats about 8 lbs. of ammo. You would be carrying about 230 rounds of ammo. In most scenarios, you will be able to return to a camp or base and refill your ammo supply. The cost of the system would also be only about $4300 for 4 uppers, a lower, optics for them all, a handguard, and one VG.
 
So we could carry a different upper than the 300blk. I would personally choose a 24" cmmg .204 for hunting varmints or for precision shots. I would then go from the long 223 barrel to an 18in. 223 barrel for ammo availability.
 
Ideally it is a good plan. One lower, many different kinds of uppers to use depending on the need. In reality is it almost impossible to resist buying another lower to go with the upper particularly with the price of lowers these days. So it kind of goes like this. Lower, upper, upper, upper, lower, upper, lower, lower, upper, lower etc.
 
Well if you needed a system capable of everything, and you only had 4 grand. This could be a great system. Also, here is an example list of possibilities for it.


$365 Spikes Tactical spider lower, standard kit; CTR stock & MOE grip (Spikestactical.com)
$925 Rock River Arms .458 SOCOM CAR A4 complete upper half(rockriverarms.com) Upgrade parts to Smith AWB brake, large Gas Buster latch, Hogue hand guard, and low-profile varmint gas block.
$750 CMMG .204 ruger 24” upper (Brownells.com)
$525 STAG Arms 6.8 spc carbine complete upper 16” (dsgsarms.com)
$90 UTG PRO Leapers carbine length quad rail handguard (cheaperthandirt.com) for the 6.8
$620 Rock River Arms 18” Varmint Upper with A4 flat top (impactguns.com)
$20 Magpul MOE RVG grip (cheaperthandirt.com) for the 6.8
$260 Osprey Red Dot Sights HGPROD (opticsplanet.com) for the 6.8
$400 Nikon M223 2-8x32 BDC reticle with Nikon M223 rings (opticsplanet.com) for the .223
$255 Millet DMR 1-4x24 red dot riflescope (opticsplanet.com) for the SOCOM
$370 Sightron SII 4-16x42 (opticsplanet.com) for the .204
TOTAL: $4,580
The 6.8spc would be the primary upper because of it’s extra stopping power over the 223. The .204 is for long range precision, and the ammo is lighter than 223 or 6.8. The .223 is used because of its ammo availability. This would become the primary system if the terrain opened up and allowed longer shots. The Beowulf would be used for smashing vehicles or light structures.
(This system could also be used on western hunts. The 6.8 is for use on medium sized game at close-medium range. The 223 would be small-medium sized game at slightly farther ranges. The 204 would be used on coyotes or prairie dogs at medium to long range, and the .458 SOCOM is for large game like moose or elk)
 
Ok, lets ignore the weight for a minute. Just how long/hard would it be to switch uppers in the field???

I never timed it but well under 30 seconds should be easy once you get them out. Its not just a matter of weight. Three uppers would be an akward shape to carry. Any soldier i'm sure would much rather carry more ammo than uppers. It would make infinitely more sense just to carry a .308 rifle to begin with than 4 specialized uppers as it can do everything for a lot less weight. Just mount a mini red dot offset at 45 degrees and have a high powered scope on top. A .308 in 16" will have more than enough range and you could just have lower powered loads if you want less boom for close.
 
Who's toting all this around? Is this some combat load-out for a soldier? A rancher knocking around his back 40,000? A lone-wolf survivor of an apocalyptic event? I'm having a hard time envisioning the scenario in which, weight aside, this would even be needed/desired.
 
I'll clarify, this would be a tactical setup capable of everything from long-range precision fire to room clearing to hunting moose to stopping vehicles. Carrying it I'm not worried about, as I said earlier a specialized case with individual compartments for the uppers would make carry a breeze. The part I was wondering though, is how hard it would be to switch uppers. Now that I know it would be simple, I see this as an extremely viable option for use. As for buying a .308 and being done. Can a .308 punch through an engine block? Maybe. Can it be used in room clearing? If you have a short barrel and holographic/ red dot sight. Can you hunt large game with it? Not all big game. Can you go long range? With a longer barrel and higher magnification range scope. Can I hunt praire dogs or coyotes with a 308? There wont be anything left.
Instead of sacrificing long range precision for room clearing ability, small game hunting for stopping power, and vehicle stopping for ammo capacity. You can have the perfect rifle for everything you do or anything you could ever come across. Adding a suppresor to the .458 SOCOM would officially round out the package into a true tactical monster.
Also, if I were to go through and get this system, would anyone be willing to modify a backpack to hold the uppers in special compartments?? (There is an extremely small chance of that happening, but I am considering it.)
 
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I don't see it working because you aren't going to be walking along with a .223 upper "loo dee doo dee doo, oh <deleted>, an elk, better get out my .458 (2 min later) elk is gone."

Though not ideal for hunting, it would be cool to have a lot of different caliber uppers for availability of ammo and different target distances. I have thought about doing this but when I can build a lower for $150, might as well get one for all.
 
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Can I hunt praire dogs or coyotes with a 308? There wont be anything left
Not that it matters, cause we don't cook and eat them.
But a .308 will leave more left then a .204 Ruger will leave left.
It's little bullet is going 1,000+ FPS faster and really makes a splatter.

Yes, a .308 will stop an engine.

We fought room to room in WWII European city's with peep sighted M1 Garand 30-06's and did quite well thank you.

I would guess you have never served in the Infantry, and are over-thinking this due to your inexperience in humping 120 pound packs you live out of, while wearing body armor & a Kevlar helmet, in 120 degree weather.

If you can afford to carry that much more extra weight in uppers and different ammo?
You would be much better served carrying it in water & extra ammo for your issue weapon.
Or extra MG ammo for the SAW in your squad.

Those things can actually save your life, or make it possible to Even survive.

Humping four extra uppers in different calibers will most certainly not.

rc
 
I have more uppers than lowers, but I'd never consider carrying them all around. Roll out with the configuration that's needed for the day at hand. Probably have the 22 conversion kit in a pocket as well, that's an easy way to add flexibility.
 
I agree that sharing a lower has some benefits, especially if you put some good money into the trigger and stock. Fine at the range, but not something you want to carry around.
 
tactical setup capable of everything from long-range precision fire to room clearing to hunting moose to stopping vehicles
If your tactics involve this, I can't imagine the strategy they are supporting.
 
i think different caliber for different tasks is way overrated

carry m193 and m855 ammo, should be pretty sufficient most of the time
why need to carry/switch barrel to .308 if you can fire 3 shots of m193 in 3 secs
 
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One lower, four uppers...sweet! Four rifles! Oh wait, I just lost the screw out of the magazine release OR broke my hammer spring OR broke the bolt release OR slipped and banged the receiver, denting the magazine well, now I have ZERO rifles.
That and keeping track of four different ypes of magazines as well as humping all that weight around sounds highly impractical.
To the OP I'd suggest you get a rifle, a days worth of water and food, and some extra ammo and hump all that around the hills for a couple of days. I think you'll find a nice, trim .308 bolt rifle far more practical.

35W
 
So you really think its plausible that after a prarie dog hunt while walking home you will have the need to snipe somebody at long range, shoot a moose, engage a vehicle and then clear your house upon arrival? Am i missing something?
 
I was actually thinking of this the other day. I can see a person carrying 1 spare upper such as a 20" length for hunting and of course a 16" and shorter for everything else. They would be of the same caliber and you would need to choose one optic that can suit both close range and long rang needs.
 
This conversation sounds a little remenicant of one (of many) with a certain mall ninja??:scrutiny: just saying, I don't mean to be rude at all
 
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