PT92
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I found this article to be both interesting and in my experience, true:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/hi-point-c9-9mm-a-good-cheap-gun/
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http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/hi-point-c9-9mm-a-good-cheap-gun/
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Interesting Hi-Point Article
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Mooseman
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I have the Hi-Point 45 and I've found it to be reliable, easy to shoot and decently accurate. That said, I can buy other guns for not much more money that are a lot more refined. My local range sells 45 practice ammo for $26 a box so for 4 boxes of ammo I'm in the range of a new Sigma, maybe a used Ruger or a lot of other stuff. I still have no interest in selling mine and I just might pick up the 9 if I see a good deal on one.
PT92
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I hear that--I have been shooting my GSG 1911 (.22lr) much more of late and putting the savings (unfortunately) in my gas tank.
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I agree, I don't get the cost angle of getting Hi Point, when you compare it to the price of ammo, or reliable higher-end used guns. Getting it for fun is different, but if money is an issue, there are still better alternatives.
I bought a used Hi Point c9 for under $100 and use it as a truck gun. I have fired several hundred rounds of FMJ through the gun and one box (25) of JHP and I have not had a FTF of any kind. Decent trigger and as accurate as more expensive guns. VERY big and heavy for a gun with 8 in the mag. Is it pretty? Is it a good CCW? Do I pull it out and show everyone what I have? No to all the above. Is it functional, reliable and relatively accurate? Absolutely! Do I plan to get rid of my other pistols and buy all new Hi Points? I don't think so. I think of Hi Point pistols as a user friendly low maintenence tool. If I need two pistols and have limited resources then Hi Point would fit the bill.
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Other than using 9mm Para vs 9x18, what makes it a better choice than a similarly priced P64
? I'd take a military grade pistol over this any time. I am not criticising anyone's choice, merely stating that I don't see it as anything but a curiosity.
? I'd take a military grade pistol over this any time. I am not criticising anyone's choice, merely stating that I don't see it as anything but a curiosity.
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Boy, contrast the forum discussions of Hi-Point now with the ones that took place a year or two ago. Quite different perspectives, to say the least. I've gotta hand it to Hi-Point, they seem to be turning the public perception of their guns around in a positive way. And more quickly than any other company I can recall.
Yes, I know - many people, maybe even a majority, still dislike them on principle. Cheap guns will ALWAYS be Saturday Night Specials. But I don't see that many people complaining about their actual performance. No more than any other pistol that's two or three times the price.
I still don't own one, but I've thought about it now and then. Probably won't, though. I'm maxed out on the guns.
Yes, I know - many people, maybe even a majority, still dislike them on principle. Cheap guns will ALWAYS be Saturday Night Specials. But I don't see that many people complaining about their actual performance. No more than any other pistol that's two or three times the price.
I still don't own one, but I've thought about it now and then. Probably won't, though. I'm maxed out on the guns.
There are several good answers to this.
1. Even stated in your question. 9x19 > 9x18
2. Can buy ammo at any Walmart
3. Lifetime warranty. Some P64 spare parts are nonexistent. Others will be scarce, soon. And you'll have to fix it yourself or pay someone else, even if you can get the parts.
4. Military grade pistols have been around since guns were invented. A cap and ball muzzle loading revolver is a military grade pistol. The broom handle Mauser is a military grade pistol.
5. P64 isn't a very safe design. Don't carry it with the safety off, even if the hammer is down!
6. Manufacturer support. If your P64 malfunctions due to manufacturer defect and someone gets hurt, you can go suck eggs. This is one reason I have considered whether I should stop letting other people shoot my MSAR, anymore. Of course, I won't. But the thought did cross my mind.
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marine 97-03
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How good are there carbines?
fallout mike
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Marine, I have their carbine in .45acp. I love it. No problems ever. Accurate and very fun to shoot.
marine 97-03
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They've gotn hard to find around here...if u come across one in .40 over there hollar at me
The Lone Haranguer
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No one questions that. But only for more money. Not everyone has it. And I once had a nearly $1000 handgun that might have made a good bookend, except that it kept falling over.Wanderling said:
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They are good, inexpensive guns, plain and simple. Ugly and a bit heavy, for my taste but they work.
I got a C9 and a 9mm carbine for noobs to use after they learn the basics on a 22, and before they go to 357 and 45.
Nothing fancy, just a reliable, reasonably accurate shooters.
I got a C9 and a 9mm carbine for noobs to use after they learn the basics on a 22, and before they go to 357 and 45.
Nothing fancy, just a reliable, reasonably accurate shooters.
i never owned one but i have shot a .45 and while it did what they said it would do i found it very awkward and top heavy. but it did shoot was reasonably acurate it did what my buddy that owned it wanted it to do. i dont think i will ever own one unless i get it dirt cheap but if your on a serious budget it will get the job done.
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I've owned the 9mm carbine and the .45 pistol. I ended up selling them both. Not because they were bad, they were both quite reliable, but to fund other guns that were higher quality and would last longer. For the uninitiated they are great guns. For those on a budget, same thing applies. Will I own another? I'm not going to discount the idea, but it wouldn't be high on my list.
PT92
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I own the .45 carbine as well as the C9. The carbine seems to be at least on par with my Kel-Tec Sub2000 in terms of quality.
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Article is pretty much spot on based on the HP I owned. The two biggest criticisms I can bring against it is the durability of the polymer matched against the heavy slide and the simplistic and easily bent safety lever. But then again, you don't punt your other firearms to be broken either so its a moot point. A lesser annoyance is the trigger, which is less than inspiring plastic as well. It's muddy and not exactly crisp, but does its job in the end.
It's a bottom of the barrel defensive piece that you can afford to lose. It goes bang and easily do minute of torso at household distances. As long as you don't expect anything more than that, it's a very serviceable fire arm. That doesn't mean I'd trade my newly acquired 1911 for it, however.
It's a bottom of the barrel defensive piece that you can afford to lose. It goes bang and easily do minute of torso at household distances. As long as you don't expect anything more than that, it's a very serviceable fire arm. That doesn't mean I'd trade my newly acquired 1911 for it, however.
I have always been amused and puzzled by the circular argument used by the anti-Hi Point folks:
"I don't own a Hi Point because they are worthless junk which is proven by the fact that I don't own a Hi Point because if I did it wouldn't be junk but it is junk because I don't own a Hi Point...", and around and around.
Especially amusing was the comment by one poster that "They are junk, total junk. I have never seen one, but everyone on the xxx site says they are no good."
I did note the comment by the man who claims to be an instructor and sees repeated problems with Hi Points. My feeling is that the problems are due to limp wristing and the solution lies not with Hi Point, but with a more competent instructor.
Jim
"I don't own a Hi Point because they are worthless junk which is proven by the fact that I don't own a Hi Point because if I did it wouldn't be junk but it is junk because I don't own a Hi Point...", and around and around.
Especially amusing was the comment by one poster that "They are junk, total junk. I have never seen one, but everyone on the xxx site says they are no good."
I did note the comment by the man who claims to be an instructor and sees repeated problems with Hi Points. My feeling is that the problems are due to limp wristing and the solution lies not with Hi Point, but with a more competent instructor.
Jim
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My thoughts on hi-points are WHY when you can buy soviet surplus. You can buy a P-64, cz-82, or PA-63 for about the same as a hi-point these days, and those are actual proven military firearms, made from materials that a hi-point can only dream about. And a cz-82 has a trigger on par with a high end sig or h&k.
I guess warranty is a pro for the hi-point, but that's about it. Cartridge choice, meh. I'll take a cz-82 in 9x18 over a hi-point in 45acp any day of the week, without hesitation.
I guess warranty is a pro for the hi-point, but that's about it. Cartridge choice, meh. I'll take a cz-82 in 9x18 over a hi-point in 45acp any day of the week, without hesitation.
PT92
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I can definitely see your point as valid but for me it comes down to surplus ammo on hand. The way the economy has hit the dumper of late, I have been much more particular about any new gun purchases in that they must be made only if I have plenty of said ammo on hand prior to (.45ACP & .9mm pistol ammo are both bountiful in my environment--come to think of it, I also have a few pistol carbines of same flavor as well). I would have to start a whole new endeavor for Eastern European hardware of which I hope to do some day perhaps when gas gets back below $4
. OT real quick, I read today that we could easilsy become the world's largest oil producer in under fifteen years (while simultaneously pursuing viable alternative fuel-tech) if we just began to drill but I digress...-Cheers
Honest John
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Are my eyes deceiving me or did you have some custom engraving done on your Hi-Point, Panzercat?
Maybe you could make that case for the 9mm, but nobody ever mentions the fact you can get +p capable .45acp for less in the same breath as this statement, however.
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Yes. Don't tell anybody tho
Inebriated
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Excellent. Printed some tight groups today with the 9mm and irons that I could barely see through (fogged eye pro). Decent trigger, weight gives the feel of shooting a .22, and it feels solid in the hand. Bulky, but solid. And for $260, it's hard to beat as far as pistol caliber carbines.
So far my 4595 carbine (45acp) has been 100% reliable for 200 rounds, the first 200. It is surprisingly accurate off a rest, 2 inches at 50 yds with open sights. I have not shot it at longer distance. Almost no recoil. comments at range include " is that a 22" due to quiet report. It will shoot better when I get used to it, I know this because my son nearly shoots one hole with it. Heavy a little but a good heft for a carbine. I have a Colt AR in 9mm which shoots no better.
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