Glock 36 FTE help

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Hi everyone,

I finally got my Glock 36, which is great. But i took it out for the first time shooting and i got a lot of FTEs, not quite the "stove-pipe" definition. Before buying this gun i have seen the glock36mf website and thought those problems were fixed by now [from what i read on forums]? I bought this NIB at a gun show last week.

I was wondering if I could get some input. I have pictures.

I used Blazer Brass FMJ. i think on almost every clip, it would FTE. sometimes twice in a row. 1st shot sometimes. 2nd and the 3rd shot only. etc

1. I dont think i am limp-wristing the gun. I have rented the glock 36 before and never had a problem with that one. it is my first glock/semi-auto however...maybe i'm doing it wrong.

2. I didnt oil the spring/clean before shooting. maybe that is why? i thought it wouldnt be a problem...I just field stripped it before shooting and everything looked fine and ready to go. I been reading that some people have "break-in" procedures for guns. i didnt remember reading that in the manual but i might have missed it.

Could any of these be a factor? any help would be appreciated.

The gun shot a clip of Speer Gold Dots JHP fine. But my glock has not inspired confidence as when it FTE, the magazine is hard to remove and i cant just clear it by racking the slide.

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thank you for any input!
 

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Blazer would not be my first choice. Could be your pistol just doesn't like it. Feed it what it likes first, then try different ammo. Speer Lawman, WWB, Federal American Eagle, etc...

I use Wolf 19# springs...Mine feeds and extracts everything I have including Gold Dot 200 +P and hot handloads.

Good luck

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If you refer to the Glock manual it will tell you to clean and lube the pistol prior to shooting it. I would take that step and then give it another go.
 
Clean real good under the extractor (you should probably take the extractor out of the gun) and clean. If that doesn't work, I believe you should be able to order in a different extractor from Glock, one that will fix the issue.
 
Never had this problem with mine since I got it back in 2000. It ate a whole box of Blazer when my Briley's wouldn't even chamber them. I would pull the barrel and extractor and clean them very well and try it again. You do have to hold the G36 rather strongly when you shoot it, as limp wristing could be the cause.

BTW, semi auto pistols don't have clips, they have magazines.
 
The rented one worked yours does not. The Glock 36 is the most hit-n-miss Glock. Sorry.

"New" does not mean latest as you could have gotten an old stock one. What's the SN#?

The rounds in your images look to be jumping the extractor. That could be an extractor (tension) issue. Also, brass expands when fired and those rounds are sticking in the chamber somehow before they can be pulled from the chamber. The chamber should be fine on that Glock though. I'm leaning toward extractor, extractor spring and/or plunger. Worst case the slide cut for the extractor is wrong. That is less likely but would suck.

It's a Glock. There should not be much to it. The gun should work. Good luck.
 
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Big difference in getting a new G36 and trying out a range G36 that's had thousands of rounds through it. I'd start by doing the cleaning and PROPER lubing. Be sure and use only four-five small drops of oil, and don't get any oil in the firing pin channel.

I handled a G36 when they first came out and just don't like 'em. If I'm limited to 6 or 7 rounds, with no higher-cap backup mags, I'll just go with a 6-shot snubby.
 
thanks for all the help! i cleaned and lubed my Glock.

hopefully i can get to the range soon and see how things are now.
 
Roll the thumb of your weak hand tight into the frame. It may seem uncomfortable at first but it should solve your problem.
 
Had the same issues with my G36. Tried many ammo and technique permutations but could not resolve the reliability issues. Sold. I have 3 other Glocks all w/o a single malfunction to date. Just couldn't trust the 36 I purchased.
 
I have a 23 that's doing the same thing. Changed the whole extractor set up and it's still doing it. I had a 36 that did this and i swapped out a glock 30 extractor rod and it cured the problem. The glock 30 rod was slighly longer. My 23 has given me problems from day one. I am a glock armorer and I can't fix this gun, it's really driving me cazy so it's going back to glock. When you get a problem gun they are hard to correct and fix. My theory at this time is a tight chamber or the recoil spring.
 
I have a 36 that has been nothing but wonderful to me. Clean and lube to make sure the casing is not getting stuck in the chamber, and clean and inspect that extractor.

If the problem continues call glock. there is probably an issue with the extractor.
 
I have a 23 that's doing the same thing. Changed the whole extractor set up and it's still doing it. I had a 36 that did this and i swapped out a glock 30 extractor rod and it cured the problem. The glock 30 rod was slighly longer. My 23 has given me problems from day one. I am a glock armorer and I can't fix this gun, it's really driving me cazy so it's going back to glock. When you get a problem gun they are hard to correct and fix. My theory at this time is a tight chamber or the recoil spring.
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I've read some Glock slides may have the holes/cut for the extractor wrong making tension on the case rim too weak. Makes sense in theory because, really, there is not much else to it (i.e. FTE) once you swap out all the related small parts. On 9mm guns this (FTE and weak extraction) may be corrected with a .40sw extractor (and I've read this). However, with a .40sw, if this were the problem, the same fix is not available. The same may have been true for your G36, which the G30 rod helped offset by applying more pressure.

Sorry to read about your gun. I had a Glock 23 that would not run with a light. Swapped springs. Nada. My solution was to sell it. No problems since w/ lights on 9mm Glocks. I have a G26 where brass would hit me in the face. Swapped the extractor with an earlier one and it stopped. My Gen2 G30 would get 1-2% light primer strikes. Changed to the newest trigger bar (w/ longer cruciform) and it stopped. I've had the same issue on two Gen 2 G19s (with shorter cruciform), too, but far less frequent, while never on any Gen 3 (w/ longer cruciform). I've had two (original design) slide lock springs break at lower round counts. Glock "perfection"? Not quite.

Good luck.
 
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Jumbo,

First, let's get you out of the equation as a variable. Is it possible to find someone with some Glock experience to fire your gun? We get one answer if he can put a box through the heater without an FTE and another if he gets the same result as you.

G36's are ammo sensitive. The good news is that once you find the right ammo those 36s will go for ever with the legendary Glock reliability. Go find a box of Winchester White Box 45 or Remington UPC. Let's see if your results are replicated.

If we are at the point where the results are replicated with a couple of different types of ammo and shooters then we have a hardware problem. Step one will be to inspect the extractor. It may be broken, but I think not as the Sabres went through, at least for one clip. At this point we call Glock service.

Run through these and report back, please.
 
Roll the thumb of your weak hand tight into the frame. It may seem uncomfortable at first but it should solve your problem.
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Nope. That would be a possible solution if he were having classic "stovepipes". These are clearly an extractor issue, with a slight possibility of it being caused by crud under the extractor or in the chamber. I'm betting bad extractor.
 
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I suspect your thumb is inadvertantly contacting the slide and slowing it's movement resulting in the ejection failures.
 
Chamber a round, is the rim slipping under the extractor? It looks like the tension could be off, or your extractor hook is too short. Or like others have said, you've got crud under there and it's not grabbing the rim.
 
To be clear, is that an empty case in the chamber, or an unfired round?

If it's a double feed (live round in the chamber), then it's a mag issue. I've never heard of that happening in a Glock, but it's best to know for sure!

If it's an empty case, then it could be an extractor issue, an ammo issue, or a recoil spring issue. My G27 had some failures to extract with hot loads, before. Swapping in a new recoil spring resolved that problem. Afterwards, I changed the extractor spring, too, since it took a little extra abuse, but the extractor wasn't the primary problem. The problem was that chamber pressures were still too high when the barrel unlocked.

Also, it's a known "issue" that the G21/G30 magazine angle can make the empty case hit the next round in the mag on the way back. If the ammo type has any kind of shoulder or a large enough case rim/flare (poor crimp, perhaps), it could cause a similar failure. Pic 2 looks like what happens when I tried to shoot SWC out of my G21. But the case would be backed out at least halfway out the chamber when the jam happened. Not flush with the chamber like in your first pic.
 
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Lubing a glock? Cleaning a glock?

Glocks don't need that!

/sarcasm off

Lube your guns, people. All guns are different insofar as how much lube to use and what kind... but they absolutely should be lubed.
 
okay thanks so much for the replies. i wish i kept getting email updates.

the picture i posted earlier isnt a double feed but a casing.

i called glock earlier last week. they said put about 2-300 rounds and then see if it still fails. so i went back to the range this morning. i couldnt get a friend to come with, so we can't take me out of the equation. I cleaned and oiled my 36 earlier in the week. did not clean or take out extractor.

used Federal Ammunition this time. had ~8 FTEs in the box of 50.

the picture i attached is to show the FTE that was the worst. I couldnt get the casing out. i had to rack the slide real hard back for the empty case to eject.

Do you think that cleaning and oiling(?) the extractor might help this problem? or maybe 100 - 200 more rounds through the 36?
 

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Do you think that cleaning and oiling(?) the extractor might help this problem?
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Oiling, probably not. Cleaning could help if the breech face or extractor had a lot of junk under them. You could go at it with a pick, for example. However, from your description of this being a newer gun that's not likely to be the issue.

I generally keep the breech face and contact "claw" of the extractor clean, but dry. These parts just don't need oil in that particular spot to do their thing, and I want to keep oil away from primers for defense guns that spend most of their time loaded.

The extractor comments above are worth re-examining. The only other thing that could cause a stuck case would be a spacing issue in the chamber. If it's either of those, it's Glock's responsibility to correct it, and not yours. You've done your due diligence by giving it a cleaning and attempting to wring it out. Having said that, I tend to like direct routes, so I might consider ordering a new extractor and put it in if the cost is reasonable. Finally, maybe have someone else shoot it just to boil away the possibility that it's a shooter-related issue.
 
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