New IL CCW Law - Chicago PD Directive

I feel bad for those Vermont or Arizona people who can't produce a permit to the state trooper that stops them. Very high likelihood they will get arrested and have to go to court to prove they were 'eligible.'

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Actually, the police officer should be apprised of those few states that don't issue a permit...But, of course, we know not all police will have this knowledge. However, the state police officers I have talked to say they already give a pass to out of staters. I can't say what percentage of police that would "do the right thing" but, I feel it is a majority....But there is always that few that won't do the right thing!!!

Not to worry about this Arizona resident. The Old Fuff has a current Concealed Weapons License. While they are not required, they are available. Folks here that travel often get one because they are recognized by some other states, but I am dumbfounded that Illinois is apparently going to be one of them, at least in the short term.

Also if they come to visit, non-residents can also get Arizona licenses, but it seems that those won’t be recognized up there.

Bummer… :banghead:

swan hunter said:

There are no restrictions on carry weapons (magazines, lasers, bayonets...etc) even in home rule communities that prohibit normal cap. magazines.

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You might want to double check this. Per the Chicago Police Department, the new Firearm Concealed Carry Act as outlined in Department Notice D13-10 prohibits possession of a laser sight, and if you have one, your firearms may be confiscated. If you have a laser sight in your vehicle, your vehicle may be impounded. See E and F under section IV Procedures, http://directives.chicagopolice.org...5603-92613-fc59-b4c8c0aba767ee8c.html?hl=true.

You might want to double check this. Per the Chicago Police Department, the new Firearm Concealed Carry Act as outlined in Department Notice D13-10 prohibits possession of a laser sight, and if you have one, your firearms may be confiscated. If you have a laser sight in your vehicle, your vehicle may be impounded. See E and F under section IV Procedures, http://directives.chicagopolice.org/...c.html?hl=true.

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I can't address what unlawful acts the city of Chicago may impose on its citizens...all I know is that Illinois State law regulates handguns and accessories. No local government can regulate it.
What you posted is what Chicago is saying but, it is being challenged...They will lose this fight also. In the meantime, you decide how you want to proceed.

swan hunter said:

I can't address what unlawful acts the city of Chicago may impose on its citizens...all I know is that Illinois State law regulates handguns and accessories. No local government can regulate it.
What you posted is what Chicago is saying but, it is being challenged...They will lose this fight also. In the meantime, you decide how you want to proceed.

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But no where does it say that that is 'Chicago only' law. It is stated as Illinois law. The only relation it has to Chicago is that the CPD are the ones who posted the document online. Other than that it is all regarding the state of Illinois. Also, "assault weapon" is also included in that outlaw. Unless you can show me some other document which does not outlaw laser sights, I wouldn't risk having my firearms confiscated or vehicle impounded over a laser sight, because per that document they can definitely do that.

I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, I just want to get it right and inform others of what the real law is so no one gets in trouble. I know you and your wife have played a big role in following this for a long time and fighting for our rights, and you both have my utmost respect and appreciation.

Edit: I also am really concerned because I want to print out the laws, read every word and specification, and have a copy with me, a copy at home, a copy in my vehicle, etc. If I'm ever stopped, I can cite the law itself.

I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to ruffle anyone's feathers,

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Hey! I personally have no problem with anyone just trying to figure out what is going on in this crazy state. I'm just glad you are asking nicely!

I know of no STATE law that prohibits laser sights...It is in the Chicago ordinance....

My revolvers and I'll stay in my car or truck if I ever have to drive through Illinois. If I need gas, my wife knows how to run a pump!

ECS

It will be a relief to be able to drive from St. Louis to Michigan without being paranoid about having a gun in the car or having to render it useless. But they are still keeping people from stopping overnight and paying their motel taxes.

My neighbor's new laws are far from perfect, or for that matter acceptable. But, they are a very good start into dragging the state of Illinois in line with the rest of the United States. Hopefully, these statutes will be improved on as time goes by. My compliments to those in that state that have worked so long and so hard against impossible odds.

Let the record reflect I still maintain that Indiana is a long way from heaven and far too close to Chicago but I'm far more comfortable being a mere 22 miles from Beaverville.

Elm Creek Smith said:

My revolvers and I'll stay in my car or truck if I ever have to drive through Illinois. If I need gas, my wife knows how to run a pump!

ECS

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Try hard to make it to Jasper County Indiana to have the nozzle removed. I'll leave a call on dibs to be the surgical nurse for the procedure.

Keep in mind that now that random Illinois thugs are no longer assured of unarmed victims they will be less likely to random acts of violence. Your long suffering wife is another story.

In my opinion the 16 hours of training needs to be expanded to 40 hours, just to test the applicants knowledge of all the places that are off limits.

Instructor: OKAY students here's 20 sheets of paper -- it's test time, so start filling out the list of 600 places in which you are prohibited from carrying.

Student: Wouldn't it be easier to just list the few places we can carry? Like in our cars?

Instructor: That would turn this into a 15 minute class, and the legislature wanted this to be a 16 hours class.

This is not a carry law but a list of every place you should carry and can't

I have a daughter in IN and a WI CCW and so dose my wife , it's nice to know when we go through IL we no longer have to do the speed limit ,,,,, I mean unload and lock are guns

It is nice that I will be able to cross Illinois with a CCW in my vehicle, but the Illinois State government just guaranteed that I will not stop. I will gas up in Kentucky, Indiana, Iowa, or Missouri and drive through Illinois with no stops and no money spent.
I will also ask my state to not honor an Illinois CCW permit. You don't trust me, why should we trust you?
However, I do agree that it is a good start and was a Heurculenian effort by the decent people of Illinois to defeat the corrupt Chicago political machine. Good job and continue with the fight for good people's rights.

You know what? They restrictions on CCW in Illinois stink compared to Texas, but they're sure as heck better than Illinois a year ago. The restrictions will be relaxed.

On the firearms makers in Illinois, isn't DSA in that state?
I've heard they have had QC issues lately. Maybe they should move to a gun-friendly state and rehire.

And though the new ILL law isn't perfect, it's progress. Take just a second to lean back in your lawn chair and sip your beer. Job well done.
Even in Texas, there was a time when you couldn't legally carry concealed.

Not nearly as bad as I would expect . . . you are allowed to carry into restaurants that serve alcohol. TN spent about 10 years trying to get this right.

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Here's the latest on this aspect of Illinois' new statute. According to local news sources I saw over the weekend, the Chicago City Council is taking up a provision that would revoke the liquor license of any restaurant that refuses to "voluntarily" put up a "no guns" sign.

The strategy of the Emmanuel administration is clearly to make the right to carry so limited as to render it practically impossible to comply with the law nearly everywhere in the City. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/09/06/aldermen-seek-to-make-bars-restaurants-gun-free-zones/?utm_medium=VPH&utm_source=topvph_news&utm_campaign=487691

...and Jenner & Block (fairly big law firm) has pledged to defend the city for free.

The current restrictions would make it very impractical for me to carry. This pushes it over to entirely impractical, which is the whole point.

Mind you, this was proposed by longtime alderman Ed Burke who is the only alderman with 24 hour taxpayer funded police bodyguards.

Chicago will do what it always does and defy all gun laws until the courts FORCE them to submit. Then they'll write their own rules to restrict it as much as they possibly can, until the NEXT court challenge. The term "spoiled brat" comes to mind! Think of the bratty kid in the commercial taunting. He puts his finger 1/4 inch from his sibling and yells "NOT touching you"! Thats the chicago political attitude toward the second amendment.

Willie Sutton said:

"I like the one about a place that derives less than 50% of their revenue from alcohol."


That's pretty standard actually, and is less restrictive than several other states.

Bottom line: You don't go into bars. You do go into a place that serves a drink (to others) with dinner.

Be smart enough to know the difference.


Willie


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We have that restriction here in TX, but I don't agree with it here either. We have a zero BAC level while carrying firearms that I do agree with. Don't stop me from carrying in a bar if I'm there to meet friends and drinking soda, but stop me from drinking...okay by me.

Hopefully both Chicago and Los Angeles will go the way of Detroit.

There is a rural legend around here that Fort Dearborn was built on an Indian burial ground and the Sachem cursed the area with insanity. Reading quotes from the various mayors of Chicago I have to wonder if the graveyard is actually under city hall.

Hopefully both Chicago and Los Angeles will go the way of Detroit.

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Yikes, that's a little harsh. Chicago might have it's problems but it's not that bad speaking from first hand experience. Considering Illinois had no type of carry just a year ago and no prospects of getting a law on the books, the situation now is a borderline miracle and all in all nothing to complain about (with Democrats in control there's no point in arguing anyways as no positive changes would occur.)

mg.mikael said:

Yikes, that's a little harsh. Chicago might have it's problems but it's not that bad speaking from first hand experience. Considering Illinois had no type of carry just a year ago and no prospects of getting a law on the books, the situation now is a borderline miracle and all in all nothing to complain about (with Democrats in control there's no point in arguing anyways as no positive changes would occur.)

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Not commenting on the bankruptcy thing, that's a different animal.

But there IS plenty to complain about here.

At the time all of this started, we had the 7th's decision with an ultimatum on UUW. Now we have not only that, but we also have the new IL supreme court ruling on AUUW which rules that unconstitutional as well.

The problem I have with the situation is simple; we had them over a barrel, and our devout pro-gun lawmakers pushing CCW blinked at the last damn minute leaving us with a useless pile of trash for a concealed carry bill.

Not only that, but they also gave up private transfers and other stuff in back room deals to get it through the senate. (Jan 1st you can still do private transfers, but need to have the ISP do a background check to approve the transfer...)

Sorry, I just don't see a lot of "win" here. Even after a couple months to reflect over it.

I agree with trent on this one. The chicagocrats lost the battle but won the war.