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New IL CCW Law - Chicago PD Directive

Discussion in 'Legal' started by gmark340, Jul 13, 2013.

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  1. gmark340

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  2. mbogo

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    If you cannot carry on trains or buses or in parks, you're still at the mercy of thugs, of which Chicago has many thousands.

    Those are places where you are likely to need a gun.

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  3. Deltaboy

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    It is time to sue the State for violations of the US Court Order.
     
  4. Deanimator

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    A large number of the recent attacks on INNOCENT people seem to have happened in and around parks and beaches.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's criminals (in the Chicago City Council and the Illinois State Legislature) protecting other criminals in the street.
     
  5. Archaic

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    I just really read the list of prohibited places. I think I'm taking back my congratulations, you guys basically got the right to be issued a transport permit.

    Libraries? Hospitals? Parks?

    Lame.
     
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    It would seem that a lot of you are pretty discouraged this morning. Don’t be.

    When we started to fight for the right to carry concealed weapons in Arizona the practice was completely prohibited for anyone but law enforcement officers. This was not because of a law, but rather an Article in the Arizona State Constitution!

    It took time and work to acquire the public support to move from then to now, where no license or permit is required, and yes we did force a change in the state constitution. But this did not come in one leap, it came over time in measured steps. We even got to the point where Democrat governors were singing gun-rights bills into law.

    Today in Illinois you have a tremendous advantage we didn’t – The U.S. Supreme Court decisions in Heller and MacDonald, as well as a recent District Court decision in Illinois.

    The judge who found the “old law” to be unconstitutional did not say he’d let the legislature off the hook if they passed any ol’ law. The law they passed had to remedy the faults he’d identified in the original law. Until he is satisfied, (or the state wins an appeal) this case isn’t over. To insure against a reversal he will move carefully (and probably slowly) to produce a “bullet proof” decision. In doing this he will be able to draw on the experience of other states (in particular Florida, Texas and Arizona) where years – even decades – have shown that widespread civilian concealed carry does not result in blood flowing down streets over the bodies of little children; and other similar emotional garbage.

    So take what you got, and be thankful you got it. But at the same time don’t be satisfied. If you don’t like it as it is, (and obviously you don’t), go forward and get it changed. But keep in mind that change usually does take time and always takes hard work.
     
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    There alot of "Public places" that are barred from CC. I expect the next stepping stone is to get that overturned in court. Seems like a defacto carry ban.
     
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    Basically the new law, bans carry in the places you're most likely to need it.
    Typical chicago political Bovine Excrement
     
  9. joeschmoe

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    500 murders last year and they spent more effort fighting law abiding citizens than the slaughter on their streets.
     
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    I like the one about a place that derives less than 50% of their revenue from alcohol.

    Are you supposed to ask about reviewing their books?
     
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    Not nearly as bad as I would expect. For starters, you have no obligation to inform LE that you are carrying. Second, you are allowed to carry into restaurants that serve alcohol. TN spent about 10 years trying to get this right.

    Looking at the law reciprocity is pretty good. This means I can walk down the street in Chicago and carry on my TN permit. Wow. Who would have thought?
     
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    "I like the one about a place that derives less than 50% of their revenue from alcohol."


    That's pretty standard actually, and is less restrictive than several other states.

    Bottom line: You don't go into bars. You do go into a place that serves a drink (to others) with dinner.

    Be smart enough to know the difference.


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    Willie's got it 100% right. Among most states it's pretty common to find that carrying in bars is prohibited. Why? Simple, guns and alcohol don't mix well. Alcohol can turn any mild mannered easy going person into the biggest numbskull one could ever meet in no time. It's pretty easy to determine where you can carry and can't; Applebee's, Chili's yes as long as its not posted. Your local pub which may have the best wings in town but doesn't have a full menu, NO. If it doesn't allow people in under 21 it's a pretty safe bet it's prohibited to carry.
     
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    "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."
     
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    Yep. +1
     
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    What reciprocity? There isn't any reciprocity in this law. In order to be able to carry you will have to get an Ill non-resident permit at a cost of $300.00.
     
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    There is a duty to disclose CCW at traffic stop

    Said Bubba "Not nearly as bad as I would expect. For starters, you have no obligation to inform LE that you are carrying. Second, you are allowed to carry into restaurants that serve alcohol. TN spent about 10 years trying to get this right."

    !! IF ASKED - you must disclose concealed carry to LE in IL !!

    Section 10 paragraph (h)
    If an officer of a law enforcement agency initiates an
    investigative stop, including but not limited to a traffic
    stop, of a licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, upon
    the request of the officer the licensee shall disclose to the
    officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm
    under this Act, present the license upon the request of the
    officer, and identify the location of the concealed firearm.​

    As a former TN permit holder and former IL resident, my opinion is that the Illinois law is overly complex and unpolished in a legal sense compared to TN. It looks like it was cobbled together by disjoint factions instead of a single body. There was a rush to get the legislation in place because the deadline has been extended and the pols were dragged kicking and screaming to complete it, otherwise there would have been no law and the gun ownership would have been legal and totally unregulated. (wouldn't that have been grand?) Yes, it does amount to a "transportation and storage" bill and has no reciprocity. You can see from approving the instructors to every other damm thing, they are draggin the implementation of this bill along as slowly as possible. The head of law enforcement in Chicago said he does not know how they can process the permits at $150 each. That gives you some idea on how anti gun Chicago is. Chicago based Joyce Foundation is the mothership of all anti gun funding in the U.S. Follow the money and it all trickles up to Joyce Foundation. The mayor and that person at 1600 Pennsylvania have sold out to them.

    I would suggest you seriously consider not buying any gun made in Illinois, and/or contact the major companies in Illinois - Kraft, Caterpillar, Abbott, Boeing, OLIN BRASS AKA WINCHESTER, Navistar and tell them you are going to avoid their products and the City of Chicago, until Illinois makes "reasonable" (isn't that what anti-gunners are always asking for?) amendments to the law.

    FOID card, that's a licence to get a license. Wha?? God I'm glad I don't live there anymore. WHEW!.
     
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    "!! IF ASKED - you must disclose concealed carry to LE in IL !!"


    <sigh>... Yes, the same as everywhere else in the country...


    Don't buy any guns made in Illinois. That's good advice.
    I bet it'll *really* hurt the (nonexistant) Illinois firearms industry...


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    Nonexistent? Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory come to mind right away.
     
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    That is a strange "duty to disclose" requirement. In most states, if a duty to disclose is included in the statutes, it means that a permit holder must inform a LEO, at the beginning of an official encounter, that the permit holder is armed. Even in states without a statutory duty to disclose, a dishonest response to a LEO's question about being armed will result in an unpleasant experience.
     
  21. Willie Sutton

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    I stand corrected.... since my Springfields all came from Massachusetts... :p

    I don't see the need to harass businesses where the laws are being changed to our benefit. This is a great step forwards for 2A rights. We should be darned pleased.


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  22. joeschmoe

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    Not here. I have to show permit when asked. That's it.
     
  23. Willie Sutton

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    ^^^

    Uhhh.....

    It's the SAME.... :banghead:




    Illinois, as I read the statute, is NOT a "must disclose" state (as Ohio, Michigan, etc). The statute simply codifies the fact that IF ASKED you need to answer the question. That's not rocket science to understand.




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    150. wow that's a lot! for the permit
     
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    150 isn't horrible, KS is 135 and we are a pretty "free state" ranked #8 as a gun friendly state. Considering how anti Illinois is, its not to high a price.
     
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