what .22 round to use in .22 snubby

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I have a Taurus M94 with 2" barrel. For adequate penetration against coyote size game up to 2 legged predators for defense what around should I be loading?

I think it should be RN and not HP for penetration as it's not moving too fast out of the short barrel. But grain, brand? I know aguila has the 60 grain RN SSS which may be the best for penetration.
 
I load my 2" S&W 317 with CCI mini-Mag 40 grain solids.

The 60 grain Aguila SSS will not stabilize in most barrels, and tumbles imeadiatly upon impact.

I was barely able to get through one gallon jug of water with them out of the snubby.

Recovered bullets.
AguilaSSS.jpg

The Mini-Mag did two jugs, and penetrated the third one.

rc
 
I'm not one to tell everyone a .22 is not a good gun to carry but in this case, it isn't because you mentioned Coyotes. If you are being attacked by a Coyote I highly doubt a .22LR round will stop it. There is no good answer to your question. Even a .38 Special will be a much better choice for Coyotes. (or a .32 H&R Mag/.327 Fed Mag)

There just isn't enough inertia from such a light bullet at slower velocities to do reliable damage on such an animal. (IMO of course)
 
The weapon is not being carried for such duty, the question is theoretical and I'd like to know what would work best and imagine making well placed shots into the braincase or chest region.

I use this snubby for checking traps, and when I do use it it's lights out every time for a well placed shot at point blank, I'd just like the best penetration.

Looks like RC's rounds stayed in tact and held their weight most of the time, which is good. I normally load the mini mags as well. I read the shorter the barrel, the lighter hypersonic bullets are the ones that lose the most oomph, and the heavier the bullet is, the less it loses. Which is good as the hypersonic rounds are deafening out of the snubby and have such little performance for so much noise and flash.
 
stressed said:
The weapon is not being carried for such duty, the question is theoretical and I'd like to know what would work best and imagine making well placed shots into the braincase or chest region.

I use this snubby for checking traps, and when I do use it it's lights out every time for a well placed shot at point blank, I'd just like the best penetration.

Looks like RC's rounds stayed in tact and held their weight most of the time, which is good. I normally load the mini mags as well. I read the shorter the barrel, the lighter hypersonic bullets are the ones that lose the most oomph, and the heavier the bullet is, the less it loses. Which is good as the hypersonic rounds are deafening out of the snubby and have such little performance for so much noise and flash.
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Noise and flash have driven off many coyotes....
 
stressed said:
The weapon is not being carried for such duty, the question is theoretical and I'd like to know what would work best and imagine making well placed shots into the braincase or chest region.

I use this snubby for checking traps, and when I do use it it's lights out every time for a well placed shot at point blank, I'd just like the best penetration.

Looks like RC's rounds stayed in tact and held their weight most of the time, which is good. I normally load the mini mags as well. I read the shorter the barrel, the lighter hypersonic bullets are the ones that lose the most oomph, and the heavier the bullet is, the less it loses. Which is good as the hypersonic rounds are deafening out of the snubby and have such little performance for so much noise and flash.
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Well, when you start with higher velocities you end up with higher velocities. From a short barrel I would go with either CCI Stingers @32gr & 1640 fps or CCI Velocitors @40gr & 1435 fps. Both are meant for Varmints so the bullet is correct and both start way higher than standard and high velocity 22's so even with the loss in velocity associated with a short barrel velocity will be acceptable. I prefer the Velocitor ammo.

Winchester also makes HV .22LR ammo for Varmints. Their Varmint HE 22LR ammo uses a 37gr bullet @1400 fps and I've used them and they are accurate in my Ruger Single-Six.

Remington has their Viper and Yellow Jacket rounds and I really like the Yellow Jacket ammo. (even though it's lighter than the Viper ammo) Federal has their HV .22LR ammo too but I have never shot any.

I have shot both CCI rounds, the Winchester round and the Yellow Jacket round in the field. I like the CCI Velocitor round best closely followed by the Remington Yellow Jacket round. The Winchesters aren't bad either and I have not shot the Federal HV offering.
 
the fastest, heaviest solid bullet you can find. Remington vipers are good.
 
Mini Mags worked for me,,,

S&W Model 34 snubbie,,,
Raccoon in a tree eating my roof,,,
One shot at about 8 feet with Mini Mag LRN.

He fell from the roof and twitched for a moment,,,
By the time I got down off of the ladder he was dead.

Hey, a subsonic 22 short might have done the job just as well,,,
But performance I can attest to made me a believer,,,
I keep LRN Mini Mags in all of my .22 revolvers.

Aarond

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LOL... this day and time the "best" is what ever you are able to find.
 
If it was me and I was using a revolver and I wasn't sure which load to use and I wasn't going to bother testing them................... I would fill the cylinder full of two or three different kinds of ammunition. Load one solid point, one high velocity lightweight hollowpoint, another solid point, maybe a 60 grainer, another solid point, another high velocity lightweight hollowpoint, something kind of like that. And if it is an eight or nine shots cylinder, that gives you lots of options. That's the good thing about revolvers, they will shoot whatever you can stuff in the cylinders. Semi automatics are likely to be more picky about their diet.
 
Aguila sst 60 grain

I have to disagree with an earlier post: the 60 grain subsonic bullet does not stabilize in SOME guns. I have extensive experience and buy a case at a time. My H&R 904 6" likes them, and my Savage bolt action likes them at minute of squirrel groups. I have them sighted in at 25 yards. That distance happens to be how far it is to the feeder from the back deck. They love to eat holes in my house. Until they meet a 60 grain pill at about 800 FPM.
 
I was surprised to see gunpowder less super colbi penetrate further then stinger in some case, due to rapid expansion. I use colibri, not even super colibris, to dispatch trapped critters if need be and I've even had the gunpowder less colibri (not even super colibri) exit out the other side of a raccoons head, with the animal feeling no suffering. Perhaps the deafening bang of the stinger from a pistol psychologically makes some shooters think it kills better?

As for bigger critters up to two legged threats, I just watched this video by brass fetcher and I recommend everyone here watch it. He just published it this September. It shows many commercially available rounds, and even some HP's that penetrate further from a pistol then a rifle. Very interesting, and I will decide my load based of it. It covers penetration pistol vs rifle, expansion pistol vs rifle and I was amazed to see some rounds even HP's perform better in expansion and penetration from the pistol then a rifle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R22ah5S9pu4#t=20
 
stressed said:
I was surprised to see gunpowder less super colbi penetrate further then stinger in some case, due to rapid expansion. I use colibri, not even super colibris, to dispatch trapped critters if need be and I've even had the gunpowder less colibri (not even super colibri) exit out the other side of a raccoons head, with the animal feeling no suffering. Perhaps the deafening bang of the stinger from a pistol psychologically makes some shooters think it kills better?
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NO! It's not the sound the round makes, it's the barrel length that's important.

The velocity numbers quoted for all the different rounds are from a rifle length barrel, not a 2" revolver. Not only do you have an extremely short barrel but the cylinder/barrel gap too and both will rob you of velocity.

A standard 1050 fps 22LR round might not reach 550 fps from a 2" revolver. This is why I suggested the hyper velocity rounds. If you start @1640 fps or 1435 fps from a rifle you might end up with "normal" .22LR velocities from a snub nose revolver. The bullets they use are designed to be effective at the velocities that round delivers from a long rifle barrel. Cut the velocities by 40% or more and the bullet is no longer effective.

Claiming loud noises are fooling seasoned hunters and shooters is a bit condescending and uncalled for. You are the one who came here for answers and when you don't like what you hear you become insulting? No one told you you were being stupid for wanting to hunt a coyote with a 2" Taurus .22 revolver, did they? That's because this is THR, you should live up to that higher standard...
 
ArchAngelCD said:
NO! It's not the sound the round makes, it's the barrel length that's important.

The velocity numbers quoted for all the different rounds are from a rifle length barrel, not a 2" revolver. Not only do you have an extremely short barrel but the cylinder/barrel gap too and both will rob you of velocity.

A standard 1050 fps 22LR round might not reach 550 fps from a 2" revolver. This is why I suggested the hyper velocity rounds. If you start @1640 fps or 1435 fps from a rifle you might end up with "normal" .22LR velocities from a snub nose revolver. The bullets they use are designed to be effective at the velocities that round delivers from a long rifle barrel. Cut the velocities by 40% or more and the bullet is no longer effective.

Claiming loud noises are fooling seasoned hunters and shooters is a bit condescending and uncalled for. You are the one who came here for answers and when you don't like what you hear you become insulting? No one told you you were being stupid for wanting to hunt a coyote with a 2" Taurus .22 revolver, did they? That's because this is THR, you should live up to that higher standard...
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What is your problem? Perhaps you should be reported for attacking another member, since this is the highroad. You jump on me as if I am calling someone out. Who said I didn't like what I hear? I went off data showing penetration in gel.

And for your information, I've shot a few coyotes in snares with a 2" M94, and it did just fine and I didn't damage the hide. I guess that makes me "stupid" in your opinion.
 
I attacked no one Sir and you trying to say it doesn't make it so.

Also, the video you are pointing to tests ammo with a 4.5" barrel semi-auto, not a 2" revolver. Those are 2 completely different guns. One has twice + barrel length of the other and no cylinder gap.
 
Guys! Guys! :what:

Why can't we all just get along!! :D

I didn't follow this thread closely all day to see where it went off the rails.
But it most certainly did somewhere back up the tracks.

rc
 
So you were not insinuating that I was stupid because I wanted to "hunt" coyotes with a Taurus M94?

I plan to pick out the best suited rounds from his test, fire them over my chrono in my snubby, and find a formula for penetration based on FPS difference.
 
Read what I said again, I did not call you or anyone else stupid.
I said no one was calling anyone stupid but you were insulting by claiming noise was fooling us.
 
stressed
I see where you are coming from as a trapper.
You never said you were going to snipe at coyote at 50 yards.

ArchAngelCD
I see where you were coming from too, as a 2" revolver is not usually a 50 yard coyote gun.
Unless that's all you have at the time.

It wouldn't be my first choice of gun, but if that's all I had??
I wouldn't pass up a shot or six either!!

But a coyote in a trap is a whole nother animal and a 2" revolver will kill it just as dead with a head shot as a 30-06 at 5 feet..

rc
 
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