ATF Director to Congress: All 5.56 Ammo Poses A Threat To Officer Safety

You could probably add 9mm, 30 carb, 7.62, 40, 45, .....

To the list. What a dingbat.
Even a 22 is a threat in the hands of a competent shooter.

Wish these anti-gunners would get a clue.

Bring it on. It is as though they want the LEOPA struck down within a fortnight. Must be some serious doin's the WH wants to distract us from...

It would appear the ATFs approval of the AR pistol in the first place is the root cause they are seeking to "correct." Expect a ruling on buffer tube status shortly, I say. I've said it before; this all about the AR15. Period. That rifle is our Capital Ship; it must be defended.

TCB

Everything makes sense now. After seeing tens of thousands of letters about how M193 does just what M855 does and how M855 and M193 are both lead core they pulled back to see if they can include M193 in the ban. A ban on "military style ammo" will put a serious hurting on ARs. Everyone will be left with $1 round hunting ammo.

Not as dangerous as autos, but it varies year to year.


So much wasted time, $, and energy on special interest topics. Focus on the job.

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/29/132441719/Traffic-Accidents-Leading-Cause-Of-Police-Deaths

personally, i want the ATF to keep pushing, there are so many arbitrary rulings of theirs on their books that go against any powers given to them, the more they push the more their past actions are brought to light as well, and theyre pushing is only going to dig their own grave with measures already being brought forth to get rid of the ATF entirely, and challenge the 86 and 68 gun control bills.. the more the ATF pushes us now, the more fuel it will add to the efforts to repeal those bills

so by all means ATF, keep pushing

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personally, i want the ATF to keep pushing, there are so many arbitrary rulings of theirs on their books that go against any powers given to them, the more they push the more their past actions are brought to light as well, and theyre pushing is only going to dig their own grave with measures already being brought forth to get rid of the ATF entirely, and challenge the 86 and 68 gun control bills.. the more the ATF pushes us now, the more fuel it will add to the efforts to repeal those bills

so by all means ATF, keep pushing

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Careful what you wish for, especially with the liberty minded Supreme Court Justices we have on the bench now.

So funny...
"Less lethal .223 round..."

does anyone see a flat in the ATF calling a stockless AR-15 a pistol?.. its not a pistol, you still cant really fire them one handed, its a rifle without a stock.. almost makes me think they enforce SBR restrictions to encourage people to build "pistol" versions as a cheaper alternative just so they can reclassify the ammo and exploit a loophole

Obama and his minions in the ATF are still there. This attack on the Second Amendment will not cease unless and until Obama and the ATF are out of power/gone. After that, our only hope for the future is for the government to be populated with adherents to the Constitution. Until then, our RKBA is in jeopardy.

The people there now, the people we elected to those positions, should not require us to stand over them and constantly beat them on the head with the Constitution. But, since the corrupt seem to be the only ones(except for a very small minority) who will run for office, we must constantly be vigilant. Just think how much wealthier we would be if we could devote our time to our business instead of trying to keep our elected misrepresentatives in line ...

The unfetterment and preservation of our rights cannot be separated from the politics necessary to accomplish our goals - unless you want to settle this matter on the battlefield.

Woody

The first thing we need to do is stop blaming Obama. Been going on for decades with everyone in power responsible. We just never care much when certain oeople are in power.

"Less lethal 223"??!!!

That statement would be really, really funny.

Except, these are the people running the show.

I'm going to not say anything further because nothing else I could possibly say would be "high road"....

col_temp said:

You could probably add 9mm, 30 carb, 7.62, 40, 45, .....

To the list. What a dingbat.
Even a 22 is a threat in the hands of a competent shooter.

Wish these anti-gunners would get a clue.

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In the pro/anti-gun issue, there are two sets of dingbats: the few anti-gunners that truly believe banning firearms is a safety issue; and the pro-gunners that steadfastly believe all anti's are without a clue.

The anti end state is a total ban on civilian firearm ownership. Every caliber you listed (and every other caliber out there) is on the anti-gunner list. This is simply a game of increments for them.

This issue is just one cog in the Liberal fight to make everyone "free" to live by their rules. But that's a discussion for some other board.

I bet they are trying as hard as they can to 'prove' the two cops in Ferguson were shot with 5.56 'cop killer' bullets.

They are going to look for any excuse they can, then by executive action ban them. Obama will tell the Republicans they can sue.. but in the meantime ban as much as he can.

The ATF is just his front man in this.

Deaf

The push to ban guns preceded Obama's presidency, and it will continue after he leaves office. That being said, when he was elected he promised to transform this country, and to date he's kept that promise in many ways. With less than 2 years left in office and not having to worry about being re-elected, he's going to try to get as much of his agenda passed using whatever means possible with the time he has left. I'd be stunned if he didn't have an alternative plan to get whatever gun or ammunition bans pushed through when they decided to back off this ban. From what I've read, the public pressure to stop this ban had a great deal to do with it not going through. It's important that we keep the pressure on our representatives, because the anti's are doing the same.

This is hardly surprising.

Veep Biden stated several years ago the only weapon you need for self-defense is a double barrel shotgun and you only need to fire two rounds in the air to stop an attack.

ATF poses a threat to freedom loving Americans

IMHO the problem is the misuse of the term "armour piercing" for emotional effect. Any center fire rifle round will penetrate the body armour worn by LEOs. Once you have established the concept that we must ban "Cop Killer" ammo ALL center fire rifle ammo is in jeopardy. This is their goal.

It would appear the ATFs approval of the AR pistol in the first place is the root cause they are seeking to "correct." Expect a ruling on buffer tube status shortly, I say. I've said it before; this all about the AR15. Period. That rifle is our Capital Ship; it must be defended.

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No truer words have been spoken, as much as don't like the AR (and don't even currently own one) it is in fact currently the most popular rifle in the US, and it is the one they have set out to destroy. Partly because it makes an easy target to the undecided, it can be presented as an evil black rifle with no good purpose other than mass shooting to the uninformed fence walkers that have yet to fall on either side.
They believe the average AR owner, owns 15 of them and that's why they sell so many, and that's why they believe they can portray AR owners as wack job domestic terrorist. That will also be their downfall, they are underestimating the masses.

If they can take down the the AR they can (and will) eventually get the rest. The opposite is also true, because the AR can be and is being so easily manipulated into being the ultimate "evil" rifle, if they can't take it down they want get any others. It really is the hill we MUST defend.

The best thing I can do for my right to a hunting rifle, a shotgun, and even a black powder revolver is stand and fight for the AR15, a gun I don't really even like.



And the ATF director is an idiot, any bullet fired at any officer is obviously a danger, but the bigger danger it the criminal behind it. They somehow don't want to talk about them, and our 75% recidivism rate, there in lies the problem.

I would link the Kruschev Stalingrad speech from Enemy at the Gates, but alas there is profanity (becuz Kruschev )

TCB

I've watched these kind of actions on multiple fronts (firearms just one of many fronts under our current administration) these past six years. Yes, the other side of the political spectrum (looking forward to 2016) can be problematic as well - but our only real hope of change on this and multiple other topics means a serious change in Washington, period. Here's hoping voters have had enough of this kind of nonsense.

I remember as a young cop (back in the Stone Age) when big city police chiefs, and occasionally big police unions engaged in this sort of manipulation. Hope I never see it again - but watching the events in Ferguson - I wonder. In my view the whole "armor piercing" bullets topic regarding soft body armor needs some serious daylight so that ordinary folks who may not know a thing about ballistics can understand that most body armor isn't supposed to stop rifle rounds at all. I've been hoping to see an education campaign by the NRA or similar group but nothing so far....

Well, both Fergy cops are out of the hospital (best wishes for recovery) so it seems even that head wound wasn't terribly dire. I actually now suspect a 22LR or similarly weak round may be what was used; stopping past a cheek bone at 120yds with little trauma is pretty weak sauce for a bullet.

TCB

I'm beginning to suspect that Obama is a gun industry plant.