How Many New Gun Releases Are Trouble-free?

Im sure there are those who can correct me if I am wrong, but I think the attitude of letting the first run sort the problems out is a newer idea, back before it was easy to get ahold of first buyers for recalls, reputation was largely word of mouth, so a gun being bad at first was sure to ruin sales, therefore reputable manufacturers rarely put out designs that needed much revision, and didnt use the public as R&D. But that is just my perception, my experience hardly predates the 2000's.

On a side not, the only new remington I would buy now is a proven bolt action, a very high end model, or a copy of a proven design, IMO they have seen much better days, I dont trust or like them now.

Well, I think one factor now is that, with the proliferation of the world wide web, people can reach a much larger audience with their feedback...good or bad. This is a good thing so long as we recognize it and make sure we aren't seeing the same single report retold ad infinum across all the different boards

Glocks are infallible and perfect right off the line. So some would have you believe.

Nothing is going to work perfectly 100% of the time. This is why magazines have more than one bullet in them and some people carry reloads. This is why some people also carry more than one firearm. While the chance of a firearm, with proper maintenance, statistics state the chance of two firearms failing when you need them is even lower.

I picked up a new FNX 45-tactical with all the bells and whistles in late 12 early 13. It would only cycle with a whistle device for the longest time. After 1200 rounds it's cycling like a strong 1911. I might argue some of the guns are getting better, not all. Now days people aren't committed and patient enough to give the good ones a chance to shine.

Young&Ret. said:

I picked up a new FNX 45-tactical with all the bells and whistles in late 12 early 13. It would only cycle with a whistle device for the longest time. After 1200 rounds it's cycling like a strong 1911. I might argue some of the guns are getting better, not all. Now days people aren't committed and patient enough to give the good ones a chance to shine.

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The good ones should just plain work.

I avoid new firearms because my expectation is that there will be a recall (especially pistols). I also avoid new car models for a few upgrades till the bugs are worked out. I could be wrong but there are so many reliable firearms out there that I don't feel I need to get something new.

Theres a difference between a gun with a slight flaw or that needs breaking in, and one like the R51 that has a completely poor deaign, or one that uses substandard materials or goes too far in the use of plastic.

Warp said:

The good ones should just plain work.

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Ditto ... Anymore it seems like everything SiG sells has problems out of the gate ... the Mosquito, every version of the 556, 556R & 522 556Xi's have had its quirks; then when they get the bugs out they introduce a new model ... Next the MPX, MCX both have had problems; but I must admit my SiG 1911 & 1911-22 have ran fine.

On the other hand, my CZ Scorpion & Bren 805 have ran perfect out of the box and I haven't heard of anyone that's had a problem with either.

Theres a difference between a gun with a slight flaw or that needs breaking in, and one like the R51 that has a completely poor deaign, or one that uses substandard materials or goes too far in the use of plastic.

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The R51 had no 'design flaw,' Remington just can 't make anything as good as even communist slave factories, is all...

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