Remington 10mm hunter

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im very interested in 10mm long slides. Mostly as a range toy, but hopefully some hunting opportunities. The Remington looks to be a neat gun. But I've been unable to find one locally to handle. Curious if any of our members have hands on experience with them. With a bit over $1000 street price I'm curious as to the quality of the gun. I'm no 1911 snob, only having much experience with a mostly stock Springfield mil spec. How are Remington 1911s in general? Any durability issues to look out for?

Thanks in advance.
 
The Remington 1911 is produced by Rock Island Arms the Philippians. I own 2 RIA 1911 pistols they are both good handguns. :)
 
Dog Soldier said:
The Remington 1911 is produced by Rock Island Arms the Philippians. I own 2 RIA 1911 pistols they are both good handguns. :)
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I have never heard that before. But in either case, the Remington 10mm Hunter is actually the old Para USA 10mm Hunter. Remington bought out Para and now they are selling Para guns under the Remington name. Just Google Para 10mm Hunter and you'll see the same gun with a Para name instead of Remington.
 
having had an R1, and a rock island, I can say the R1 is not in the same class, or even close. There is no indication that they are made outside the US, and Remington claims or at least has that they are made in the US. There rumor about armscore has been around for years, but I have yet to see proof. edit: the RIA I had was trash, the R1 was nicely made, although the extracator was over ground and would not extract live rounds. Too bad too, it was a very good quality extractor.
 
The Remington R1's finish is nice. As far as function is concerned, in my opinion a cheap Rock Island is just as good as the Remington. Both will work, but I would prefer a Springfield or Colt. My experience is with the original R1 and not the Hunter though.
 
The Remington 1911 is produced by Rock Island Arms the Philippians.
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As far as I know the R1 has been made in the U.S. at Remington's factory in Ilion, N.Y.
 
The R1 is not made in the Philippines, however I'd be much happier with a Rock Island than anything made by Remington. Check out the Dan Wesson Bruin 10mm.
 
Well, bonus time rolled around and I still had the 10mm 1911 itch. I took a chance on the Remington 10mm Hunter. I've yet to shoot it (will update following range time), but here are some initial thoughts & observations.

Its very tight. Pulling the slide back takes significant effort. As does releasing the slide.
The gun is big. I guess that should be obvious for a 6" 1911. But the heft is impressive. Definitely not a plastic / polymer gun.
The included VZ grips are intense. I guess they are some durable plastic(ish) material, but the texture feels something closer to concrete or ceramic. Most of my experience is with plastic, rubber, and wood grips. I think I could take skin off my knuckles if I grazed the grips the wrong way.
The heft and length make it very easy to hold steady on target.
Trigger pull is pretty light. Not S&W in single action light, but nice and crisp. I believe its an adjustable pull, but havent toyed with that yet.
The rear sight is engraved with PARA-ORD, confirming the suspicion that much of, if not the entire gun, has a Para lineage.

Heres hoping I can sneak to the range to run some rounds through it, chrono some hand loads, and my favorite form of unscientific ballistics testing, killing 2 liters.
 
Olympus said:
But in either case, the Remington 10mm Hunter is actually the old Para USA 10mm Hunter.
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The pictures of the Remington certainly look all but identical (apart from the logo on the slide) to my Para Elite LS Hunter.

I haven't had any issues with the Para more serious than it being a bit long for concealed carry if you will be doing a lot of sitting. Which is to say I've had no real-world issues not of my own making. Decent (better than "combat") accuracy, no reliability issues, no breakages. I like mine.
 
cat_IT_guy said:
im very interested in 10mm long slides. Mostly as a range toy, but hopefully some hunting opportunities. The Remington looks to be a neat gun. But I've been unable to find one locally to handle. Curious if any of our members have hands on experience with them. With a bit over $1000 street price I'm curious as to the quality of the gun. I'm no 1911 snob, only having much experience with a mostly stock Springfield mil spec. How are Remington 1911s in general? Any durability issues to look out for?

Thanks in advance.
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Don't forget to consider the EAA 10mm longslide hunter as well.
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MachIVshooter said:
No they're not. They're made by Remington in Ilion, NY.
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Good Lord!:( I can't believe I posted that over here.:eek: I was on 2 forums back and forth.:oops: Thanks for correcting me. No Remington Pistols have nothing to do with Armscorp. I did order a Rock Island 1911 10 MM today. Thanks:)
 
I spoke with a very nice woman at Remington about the Hunter being a rebrand of the Para Hunter. She would not confirm for me this was the case and asked why was I concerned. I pointed her to this article http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=3930 and video explaining the issues I had with the Para and was checking on the availability of parts or them to repair. What she eventually told me was that if I was still having problems with my Para Remington would repair it and there was little difference in the Remington Hunter.
 
Got the 10mm Remington to the range today. What a blast. This is a serious gun. I brought 1 box of Sig factory 180gr ammo, and a variety of hand loads (chrono data below). Function with factory and JHP hand-loads was 100%. My "light" cast hand-loads had a tendency to not quite cycle. Seems they will need a bit more crimp and / or oomph (I failed to try the plunk test before shooting). I noted the gun as "tight" earlier. It definitely loosened up with some shooting.

The grips are intense. I cant decide if I like them or not. There is a high likelihood that I'll be trying out the gun with my rubber Hogue 1911 grips in coming weeks. Seems like it might be more comfortable. The recoil is stout, but not particularly uncomfortable. Cut on trigger finger didnt help me.

Brass gets launched a mile. Ok, seriously, maybe 25 feet behind and to the right of my right shoulder. This is a bit annoying for a cartridge that isnt common at the range - made picking up brass to reload a chore, as it was launched onto the gravel road behind me (after ricocheting off the metal roof).

Different loads seem to shoot to different point of aim, especially comparing the 140 cast loads with the 200 JHPs. The 140s were 6"+ high at 25 yards.

Trigger isnt bad, but I'll try to adjust and see what I can do to smooth out & lighten.

Would I buy it again? TBD. Its fun to shoot, hits with authority, and empties 2 liters in a hurry.

Chrono Data
Sig Factory 180gr FMJ. Listed at 1250fps. Benefitted from the 6" barrel and 3 shot average was 1311fps @ 687 fpe.
140gr cast truncated cone from MBC. 8.9gr Accurate #5. Avg of 4 shots was 1224fps. This is the load that did not cycle every time. 466fpe
150gr Nosler JHP with Accurate #5.
9.5gr, avg of 5 shots, 1245fps @ 516fpe
10.3gr, avg of 5 shots, 1341fps @ 599fpe​
200 Hornady JHP with Accurate #9.
11.6gr, avg of 3 shots, 1118fps @ 555fpe
12.4gr, avg of 3 shots, 1173fps @ 611fpe​
 
cat_IT_guy said:
The grips are intense. I cant decide if I like them or not.
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I have VZs on three 1911s including the Para LS 10mm. They are G10, a material also commonly used for knife scales. It is epoxy and fiberglass laminate, machined. Should be completely impervious to any normal liquid it is likely to come in contact with, last decades, wear well, etc. They took me awhile to get used to, but then again I'm the weirdo that likes uncheckered wood on my 1911s. I can't imagine them slipping even in rain. Seems like a good choice for a hunting gun.
 
Kleanbore said:
As I understand it, the Remington 1911 is now manufactured in Huntsville, AL.
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Thanks, I made a terrible error on that one. Read post #13. I have never owned a Remington. I do have 2 of the Rock Island 1911 pistols. All of 1911 pistols are Colts. That said the Rock Islands are a bargain. I just ordered a 10MM.
 
cat_IT_guy said:
Got the 10mm Remington to the range today. What a blast. This is a serious gun. I brought 1 box of Sig factory 180gr ammo, and a variety of hand loads (chrono data below). Function with factory and JHP hand-loads was 100%. My "light" cast hand-loads had a tendency to not quite cycle. Seems they will need a bit more crimp and / or oomph (I failed to try the plunk test before shooting). I noted the gun as "tight" earlier. It definitely loosened up with some shooting.

The grips are intense. I cant decide if I like them or not. There is a high likelihood that I'll be trying out the gun with my rubber Hogue 1911 grips in coming weeks. Seems like it might be more comfortable. The recoil is stout, but not particularly uncomfortable. Cut on trigger finger didnt help me.

Brass gets launched a mile. Ok, seriously, maybe 25 feet behind and to the right of my right shoulder. This is a bit annoying for a cartridge that isnt common at the range - made picking up brass to reload a chore, as it was launched onto the gravel road behind me (after ricocheting off the metal roof).

Different loads seem to shoot to different point of aim, especially comparing the 140 cast loads with the 200 JHPs. The 140s were 6"+ high at 25 yards.

Trigger isnt bad, but I'll try to adjust and see what I can do to smooth out & lighten.

Would I buy it again? TBD. Its fun to shoot, hits with authority, and empties 2 liters in a hurry.

Chrono Data
Sig Factory 180gr FMJ. Listed at 1250fps. Benefitted from the 6" barrel and 3 shot average was 1311fps @ 687 fpe.
140gr cast truncated cone from MBC. 8.9gr Accurate #5. Avg of 4 shots was 1224fps. This is the load that did not cycle every time. 466fpe
150gr Nosler JHP with Accurate #5.
9.5gr, avg of 5 shots, 1245fps @ 516fpe
10.3gr, avg of 5 shots, 1341fps @ 599fpe​
200 Hornady JHP with Accurate #9.
11.6gr, avg of 3 shots, 1118fps @ 555fpe
12.4gr, avg of 3 shots, 1173fps @ 611fpe​
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I had the same problem with my Glock launching brass into low orbit. Going from the factory 17 lb recoil spring to a ISMI 20 lb spring helped lower the slide velocity enough to keep my brass in same time zone and seemed to smooth out the recoil impulse a little.
 
MTMilitiaman said:
I had the same problem with my Glock launching brass into low orbit. Going from the factory 17 lb recoil spring to a ISMI 20 lb spring helped lower the slide velocity enough to keep my brass in same time zone and seemed to smooth out the recoil impulse a little.
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Yep. In fact I've never found the factory spring in any 10mm I shot to be strong enough. Maybe all the 10mm we buy today were built for the weak loads instead of the original norma spec? 18-20 pound wolf spring should do the trick!
 
I have seen people do both glock 10mm and Rock island. Rock island ultra fs hc has been seen as a great gun and is a 1911 design. I have also seen those who want to carry the 10mm in a more compact but hunt with a longer barrel so upgraded. See in my attachment
 

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Out of curiosity, since this firearm has para word lineage (I didn't know Remington had bought out Para Ord), does that mean the R1 pistols have a trigger block safety like a series 80?
 
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