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What species are ethical to hunt with a 10mm?
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And I totally get that. But my point is that hunters have taken the same animals with MUCH larger and more powerful cartridges. And even with great shot placement, the animals still needed anchor shots.
I'm not a 10mm fanboy. But I do like my 10mm. I'm simply stating observations and facts. He did it. He did it successfully...twice. I don't condone hunting big game like elk, eland, or Cape buffalo with a 10mm anymore than I would condone hunting them with a 22. But these shots weren't ear hole or base of the skull shots. They were broadside that penetrated to the other side of the opposing shoulder.....on Cape buffalo. Sorry, I don't call that dismal. Obviously, it was enough gun. So what if everything had to be perfect? If someone wants to take a shot that's less than ideal, that's fine. I've done it plenty of times. But I do it with large caliber rifles. He didn't. He waited for the perfect shot. and he was rewarded with being the first person ever to take Cape buffalo with a 10mm.
Is Razor a stunt hunter? I don't know. I don't know him. I haven't seen enough of his shows to pass that kind of judgement. Maybe his stuff is staged. Although I'm not sure how you stage a whole herd of Cape buffalo. But it must be possible.
I am kind of curious about something though. Are there no minimum power standards for hunting Africa with a handgun like there are with rifles?
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Depends on what country the hunt was conducted in. In South Africa on private ground, anything goes. I know that Zimbabwe will issue waivers on a case by case basis.
CraigC
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I'm sorry but I have to look beyond the dead critter. If that is the only criteria for determining what works, then chunks of rebar out of a fabricated muzzleloader and .22's are sufficient for elephant. After 30yrs of doing it and studying it, I know too much about the sport to even consider a 200gr 10mm on Cape buffalo to be anything but the irresponsible stunt that it is.
There's nothing magic about the 10mm. All the same rules apply. There's no secret recipe that's going to make it as effective as a .475 or .500Linebaugh. There's a dozen of us descending upon Texas in a little over a week to hunt bovines ranging from 1000lb watusi to 2000lb water buffalo and there won't be a single 10mm in the crowd. There will be a selection of heavily loaded revolvers in .41Mag, .44Mag, .45Colt, .454Casull, .475Linebaugh, .500JRH, etc., and there is a mighty good reason for that. Even the .500's don't seem like enough gun when the action starts. You can't take too much gun but you can sure as hell take too little.
I also would never hunt something like Cape buffalo with a weapon that couldn't possibly stop a charge. There are some great ~.400" cartridges for Cape buffalo but they're about three inches long and launch 400gr at a time.
All that said, the next time I setup to do penetration testing in SIMTEST, I'm going to test several heavy 10mm loads to see where they stand.
There's nothing magic about the 10mm. All the same rules apply. There's no secret recipe that's going to make it as effective as a .475 or .500Linebaugh. There's a dozen of us descending upon Texas in a little over a week to hunt bovines ranging from 1000lb watusi to 2000lb water buffalo and there won't be a single 10mm in the crowd. There will be a selection of heavily loaded revolvers in .41Mag, .44Mag, .45Colt, .454Casull, .475Linebaugh, .500JRH, etc., and there is a mighty good reason for that. Even the .500's don't seem like enough gun when the action starts. You can't take too much gun but you can sure as hell take too little.
I also would never hunt something like Cape buffalo with a weapon that couldn't possibly stop a charge. There are some great ~.400" cartridges for Cape buffalo but they're about three inches long and launch 400gr at a time.
All that said, the next time I setup to do penetration testing in SIMTEST, I'm going to test several heavy 10mm loads to see where they stand.
CraigC, your post made me laugh because it reminded me of something that happened over the summer. I go up to the mountains of Colorado to fish with a friend. We are at a backwoods area and CPW has signs warning of animals in the area: coyote, bear, mt. lion, etc. This one had a sign warning about moose. Having been up close to moose before, my .357 magnum suddenly felt very small, even with Buffalo Bore hardcasts.
Hope you all have a very successful and safe trip. And I definitely look forward to seeing the results from that test.I'm sorry but I have to look beyond the dead critter. If that is the only criteria for determining what works, then chunks of rebar out of a fabricated muzzleloader and .22's are sufficient for elephant. After 30yrs of doing it and studying it, I know too much about the sport to even consider a 200gr 10mm on Cape buffalo to be anything but the irresponsible stunt that it is.
There's nothing magic about the 10mm. All the same rules apply. There's no secret recipe that's going to make it as effective as a .475 or .500Linebaugh. There's a dozen of us descending upon Texas in a little over a week to hunt bovines ranging from 1000lb watusi to 2000lb water buffalo and there won't be a single 10mm in the crowd. There will be a selection of heavily loaded revolvers in .41Mag, .44Mag, .45Colt, .454Casull, .475Linebaugh, .500JRH, etc., and there is a mighty good reason for that. Even the .500's don't seem like enough gun when the action starts. You can't take too much gun but you can sure as hell take too little.
I also would never hunt something like Cape buffalo with a weapon that couldn't possibly stop a charge. There are some great ~.400" cartridges for Cape buffalo but they're about three inches long and launch 400gr at a time.
All that said, the next time I setup to do penetration testing in SIMTEST, I'm going to test several heavy 10mm loads to see where they stand.
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