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Ethics of killing animals and their status as Game vs Predators vs Fur-bearing vs Varmint/Pest.

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by mcb, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. jmorris

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    I think that is an accurate statement.
     
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    Or you get somebody with power of attorney to move you out of such a facility...., and who is a good friend who will.....

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  3. .38 Special

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    I have to wonder whether you are referring to the fishing or the impaling.
     
  4. Flintknapper

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  5. mcb

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    I love spiders, especially the hunting spiders (as opposed to orb spinners). I rarely kill them in the house, taking them outside to be free. We have wolf spiders and fishing spiders the size of your palm in the barn. Living in north Alabama we have so many bugs I figure we need more spiders if anything. My respect for spiders is similar to my respect for all predators.
     
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  6. marksman13

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    My desire to put down a deer quickly has nothing to do with an ethical or moral code. I shoot deer for food/wall decor, therefor I want to recover every one of them that I shoot. Pigs and coyotes are pests to me, so I don’t care about recovering them. I think we have to throw morals and ethics out the window to some degree once we decide to start killing things. How moral or ethical is it to believe that our lives are more important than the lives of a deer/pig/coyote/cockroach? I think it’s a little hypocritical to take the moral high ground after the decision has been made to kill something because it benefits us. Your mileage may vary.
     
  7. Meeks36

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    Just a recommendation. A decent dose of morphine and valium will put you out in no time. It's what Dr give us for euthanasia. Or assisted suicide. Promised my grandpa when his time came I would give him the dose. Had the morphine just no valium. He only made it three day's. So it wasn't to bad. My mom how ever held on for a few weeks in agony. Told mt people when it comes down to it give me the dose. Already had cancer. And some things are worse then death itself. Like choking on ones own poop. Has to be expelled. Either bum or mouth. Get constipated enough it goes up not down
     
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  8. Dibbs

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    I live in the sticks, down South, and on my property we treat spiders like they are gods, Venomous ones, not so much, but those big Banana Spiders and Porch Spiders are welcome residents. Better than a bug zapper. We would be overrun by mosquitoes and flies, without them.
     
  9. Patocazador

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    I don't kill wolf spiders unless my wife forces me to with her nagging. :(
     
  10. marksman13

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    My mom was the same way. Went into hospice care with a prognosis of about three to five days before she would pass. Held on for 22 days just to make a point I think. She had a bowel obstruction. Scar tissue after several surgeries and radiation treatments caused her one obstruction after another. After the third surgery, she decided she’d rather leave here and go be with my dad. Cancer and death are ugly, ugly things.
     
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  11. Flintknapper

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    They're too 'creepy' for me. I also live in the South (out in the country) but will take more Purple Martins, Fish and Turtles to help control mosquitoes. Fly strips or traps will harvest more flies than spiders around your house.
     
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  12. Fine Figure of a Man

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    I cooked bacon and eggs this morning. Obviously I am responsible for the death of a pig, his life probably sucked anyway.
    Concerning the eggs, am I or am I not a chicken killer?:cool:
     
  13. jmorris

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    If you didn’t like them to suffer you would only consume free range chickens and eggs from them, only caveat is you would also have to kill every other animal that likes the way they taste.
     
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    Don't have the slightest idea how this correlates with the question asked in the OP about hunting ethics, other than grasping at straws to justify the needless suffering of animals. This is what the OP was about......needless suffering that we ourselves impose when hunting. The pig was born only to be slaughtered, his life probably longer than the average if he was born to a wild sow. His death too, was probably quicker and much more humane than if he was left to forage on his own in the wild. Unless you squeezed the chicken to death to get the eggs, odds are there was no suffering by anything. Unless you got egg shells in the frying pan.

    In a world like ours where there are prey animals and predators, there will be death and suffering. If you believe in God, you know it was his plan. If you believe in evolution, you know it is Natural Selection. Some folks believe that plants have feelings and suffer too, so Vegans don't get a break here. The point of the OP was whether or not we had different ethics, as far as amount of suffering we seek to impose upon the animals we shoot. If you wouldn't want your dog gut shot and allowed to suffer for days, why would you wish this on a 'yote? Why do folks cry for days when they gut shoot a trophy buck and don't retrieve it, but when they do it to a Raccoon, it's just a raccoon? No big deal. Is it the buck that suffers more or the shooter? Swatting flies is not the same as hunting deer. Most mousetraps are like Conibears and kill quickly. Why is that any different than a beaver? While most of us as hunters strive for quick and humane kills, reality dictates that is not always the case. The fact that we strive for it and feel bad when we do not accomplish it is what differentiates us from Zoosadism and Psychopaths.
     
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  15. sixgunner455

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    My dad killed a deer he’d hit with his truck by cutting its throat (didn’t have a gun with him), and his dad (visiting us at the time) told him he was cruel. I asked him if it was less cruel to kill it, or let it hemorrhage internally and lay there crippled until it bled out or a coyote or a vulture started eating it alive.

    That conversation didn’t get very far.

    I’ve put down deer on the side of the road. I won’t let them lie there suffering when I have the means to end it for them. That’s just dumb.
     
  16. Dibbs

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    It's an all-out war, against mosquitoes and flies. The lowly toad, the anole lizards, mosquito hawks, birds, they're all welcome guests.
     
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    Agree.

    Haven't heard of Dragonflies called "mosquito hawks" since I lived in Louisiana.
     
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    Can we really afford to be so self-righteous about critters we consider pests? IMHO, this is a big reason why critters like wild hogs are still pests. Because people want to treat them all with the same level of respect and reverence as vaunted game animals like elk. I don't think any critter should ever be intentionally caused to suffer, in any way. However, I do not think pests should be afforded the same regard as game animals. So the wild hogs, coyotes, ground hogs, prairie dogs, ferals, etc., of the world should get whatever bullet is most convenient to place into their carcass. If more people shot every hog they saw and as many as possible, no matter the firearm or presentation, we wouldn't be quite so overrun with them. I have to quote Hemmingway here, who said that nothing we can do to animals is worse than what they do to each other. I don't take that as license to torture but something for perspective. We can't be bleeding hearts for every single lifeform on this planet. Mankind would've never made it this far. I often wonder how some animal rights lunatics are able to get through the day. Simply having this conversation is a luxury few would've even fathomed through 99.9999% of human history.

    I also think it odd that people can't bring themselves to admit they enjoy hunting. Why the hell would we do it if we didn't enjoy it? Too much liberal rhetoric has sunk in. I hunt because I love it. We shoot varmints partly because it needs doing and partly because it's fun. Contrary to anti-gun, anti-hunting rhetoric, shooting varmints for fun does not lead to psychotic behavior. Psychotic people who shoot up schools do not sharpen their skills on a prairie dog town. In fact, most of us who would enjoy laying waste to a prairie dog town would also gladly stand between a school and a psychopath on any given day. We would do so without hesitation, thought of personal harm or fear of death. Don't give in to that moronic 'thinking' by tap dancing around your enjoyment of shooting sports.

    To me this is akin to the folks who think we shouldn't use the word "weapon". Because we're just hunting or target shooting. This is disingenuous because the 2nd Amendment does not protect our right to own firearms for hunting, shooting tin cans or as fidget spinners. It protects our right to own firearms so that we may shoot those who try to deprive us of liberty. It was written so by people who had just spent years fighting a war and sacrificing everything for liberty and a better tomorrow. They fought that war with weapons. It dishonors their sacrifice to downplay the reason for the 2nd Amendment.

    Off the soapbox......
     
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  19. CraigC
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    Ah, the wolf spider. I was born in Florida and lived there until I was 32. When I moved to TN, I learned not everyone has the same definition of "big" when it comes to spiders. To my wife, a "big" spider is the size of a nickle. To me, a "big" spider turns the light off when it leaves a room and sounds like four tiny horses when it trots across the floor.
     
  20. magyars4

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    Not going to speak for anyone else, but as far as I'm concerned I will shoot on sight coyotes and cats.
     
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  21. Dibbs

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    CraigC, I don't have a problem with enjoying hunting. I freely admit I enjoy hunting. One of the reason I hunt pest species, in the state I do, is you can hunt them 24/7/365. That said, hunting IS hunting, to which there IS an Ethics Code. NO animal should be tortured, or caused pain unnecessarily. That said, if you are a true hunter, I hope you enjoy the woods and nature, because many days you shoot nothing. I've been hunting, every day, for six months, and haven't actually shot anything.(missed a coyote, about 2 months ago)
     
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