New Hunting Dog 1/2 Breed

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I recently acquired a 50% Springer Spaniel (Papered hunting dog) and a 50% Cocker Spaniel (also papered, but generally a pet) . I plan on using him for quail, and chucker, and occasionally pheasant and even ducks, I've shot over him with a shotgun and he definitely isn't gun shy. In fact he became very inquisitive and began checking out where the dust cleared after the shot.

He is very good at retrieving, and will put the ball or stick right in my hand with little or no coaxing time after time. The only problem I'm having with him is commanding him to sit and stay while I walk away, as soon as I turn to walk, he comes running. He will sit for just a second and want to shake my hand which is real cute, but useless when it comes to a hunting dog. I've had my wife hold him while I give him the command to sit and stay while I walk away with a treat but as soon as I turn around he comes running and jumping up to me, and will not stay on his own.

So far any comments? BTW he was born on the 4th of July 2017 so he is still just a pup and I've had him just about 6 weeks today. He is very hyper to say the least. Below is a picture of him, note his big feet and long legs. Incidentally he has fallen in our swimming pool several times now and has become a great swimmer, mostly because of his big feet.

Moderators if this is in the wrong section feel free to move it or just eliminate it. It is related to hunting although I know I won't be able to use him this year but in the near future. Thanks.
 

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Don't know why you can't use him this year, I've shot many birds from in front of 12 week old dogs. Kinda how they learn and develop what comes naturally to them. What does not come naturally to them is obedience training and is just as important as any natural hunting abilities. Stay and stop(whoa to some) are critical to the safety of any hunting dog and until they learn and obey those commands, are at risk to being killed or injured(barbed wired fences and roads being the biggest risks). Pups are pups and will be hyper and mischievous. Keep them busy with hunting and training and they calm down well, while showing them what your priorities are. Good luck with him and hunt safe.
 
Good looking pup! Hunting dogs can also be pets, make sure he knows who is boss. If possible get some professional training help ( to teach you how to teach him). You should be able to hunt him this year.
You have a lot of years of fun hunting and companionship ahead, enjoy.
 
Do wish I would have got him earlier, my 13 year old Lab just passed away June 8th and was dynamite on quail, and pheasant, he just lost a lot of his stamina the last couple of years as older dogs do. Never had a problem with him following my commands though. He would have been great teaching the younger pup the ins and outs of being a hunting dog. He (the new pup) does enjoy riding in my SXS UTV out in the boonies though. At this time of the year the rattle snakes are still out, and I'm afraid being as inquisitive as he is, he just might tangle with one. BTW quail season doesn't start until next weekend out here if I read the regulations right, so we'd have to get a whole lot cooler during the next week, before I'd even attempt it, perhaps a bit later in the season. BTW there are a lot of quail this year in my honey holes, and quite a few chucker also.
 
This is Ruger, loose noose. He's close to the same breed as your dog. Ruger is 3/4 Cocker and 1/4 Springer. His mother was a papered Cocker with quite a pedigree. His dad was a Cocker/Springer cross from papered parents.
I had full intention of using Ruger for chuckers and sharp tails when we got him 9 years ago. And I had him retrieving a bird dummy sprayed with a little pheasant scent real well. That was until I took him out in the pasture one afternoon and tossed the bird dummy into a patch of weeds. As I did that, I fired a little .22 blank in the air with the revolver I had in my other hand. Game over. Ruger came back and sat down between my feet.
I know, I could have worked with him, and got him over being gun shy. But we just decided it wasn't worth it. Which as it turned out, was a wise decision indeed. In nine years, we've had Ruger to the vet 5 times to get cheat grass out of one or the other of his ears. Those needle-sharp little cheat grass seeds get clear down to his eardrum, he literally screams from the pain, and the vet has to put him out in order to get in there with a pair of tweezers without damaging his eardrum. It costs $165.00 to get a cheat grass seed out of Ruger's ear, and like I said, we've had to have it done 5 times.
It doesn't matter though, because he's worth it. He's the best pet we've ever had, and a very good watch dog. Not that he'd ever bite anyone, but with those (expensive) ears of his, he sounds the alarm before anyone ever gets close to the house. Heck, he even sounds off when the mail lady stops at the mailbox across the road, 100 yards away.
Just one more story - as far as crossbreed dogs being good hunters, when I was growing up, my dad had papered, pedigreed Brittanies that he ran in field trials. But he used to gripe because the best pheasant hunting dog he had on the place was old Suzy - a Brittany/Cocker half-breed. And Suzy was our house-pet.:D
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English cockers make wonderful bird dogs and retrievers but American cockers have had their hunting instincts dampened by the pet industry (puppy mills) and show dogs. I have a Boykin spaniel who was retrieving teal dummies at 8 weeks. I trained her myself after reading and following the training tips in Richard Wolter's "Gun Dog". I had brittanies before but never a retriever. This dog turned out great. If you have a Wolter's book, read it again or buy one. It will be money well-spent.
 
.308 Norma, I'm certain that Ranger is definitely not gun shy, very inquisitive like I mentioned before, especially after the shot. His Momma the Springer is a papered hunting dog, and the Cocker is a very intelligent dog that also is papered, but not for show or hunting as far as I know. Patocazador, I do believe I have that book around in my library here as I've trained Labs as well as German Shorthair Pointers before. He is coming along pretty well, but is still a little awkward on his sitting and staying technique, he is just too eager to come when I walk away and turn my head, but he is improving. Next weekend I'm going to take him out on the UTV to my best quail hunting area and see how he performs early in the morning. He has already been on the UTV out in that area and he saw some quail and appeared interested but I didn't let him out to flush those birds. I'll know a lot better next weekend how he is going to be..
 
The man who sold me my Boykin puppy put the pups and mother on his back porch, He had a very strong spring on the screen door and every time someone went in or out, the screen door would slam loudly. The pups were exposed to this loud noise from birth and none were ever gun shy or afraid of thunderstorms.

I always used a toy cap gun when feeding my pups and gradually increased noise until a 12 ga. shotgun was no problem. Most hunting dogs will perk up at the sound of a shot. I had one hard-headed pointer (that's an oxymoron) who would run to the gunshot. When he wouldn't respond to "COME!", I'd shoot a gun and he'd come running looking for the bird.
 
Right after I had him two weeks I took him out to a private range I have, and fired a .22 RF rifle over him, just within the last week I fired the shotgun, he was oblivious to both the rifle and the shotgun, so I figured I'd break him in kind of slow. Seems to be working. This morning when I got up to his greeting, I took him outside and began working on his sit and stay, to which he performed a little bit better, but still quite a ways to go. The place I'm going to take him hunting next weekend doesn't have any barbed wire, or paved roads within 2-3 miles, so I really don't have to worry about that, and so far he always comes when I call him which is a plus. The early season birds usually flush fairly easy at least until they are shot at, and then start running a bit later. So far I've seen at least 3 separate coveys of them in that same general area, note there is a natural spring back in that area also, so they should be within about 1/4 mile apart or so.
 
Congratulations on your new hunting partner.
Teaching basic obedience to a pup is pretty easy. Puppies are just like kids (and a lot of adults), they have short attention spans. Train 2 or 3 times every day for just 5 to 10 minutes at a time and keep it fun.
Getting a pup to be really solid on the sit command takes time. If he sits on command that's great, the next step is to stay there while you take one step back, then two steps, 3, 4 ......
Rewarding him with a treat the instant he sits can be a fun game.
Others have recommended Richard Wolter's books, and I do too, although there are some new trainers that I think are even better. Bill Hillmann is very good. He has some short youtube videos that are worth a look.
Post some pics of your pup with his first birds.
 
Just re-read my hunting regulations for Nevada and found that the season actually opened on the 14Th of October, so therefore I better get myself over to that spot tomorrow morning bright and early. Will take the camera along to show the results.
 
I recently acquired a 50% Springer Spaniel (Papered hunting dog) and a 50% Cocker Spaniel (also papered, but generally a pet) . I plan on using him for quail, and chucker, and occasionally pheasant and even ducks, I've shot over him with a shotgun and he definitely isn't gun shy. In fact he became very inquisitive and began checking out where the dust cleared after the shot.
Congratulations! That's not a ½-breed, that's two fine and distinguished breeds in one dog. Or that's how I like to paraphrase it if anyone asks. On top of all he looks a LOT like one of my late hunting dogs, a Gordon setter - same color pattern, same posture, similar face and expression, only much smaller.

Baseline obedience training is straightforward and only requires patience, but the combination of curious nature, hunting instincts and not being gun shy is a great sign. Everything else can be trained fairly easily but if a dog has no instinct whatsoever, it's very difficult to make it work when hunting. Aside from our Weimaraners I had this idea of giving our Canaan dog a basic hunting training but whenever a gun is fired anywhere within half a mile of her, she puts on the Wile-E-Coyote-on-a-cliff-waiting-for-the-gravity-to-kick-in -face and takes off. It takes at least half an hour and the better part of a box of cold cuts to persuade her out from underneath the truck/bed/table/etc. once that happens.

So enjoy, you seem to have a great hunting dog candidate in your hands, and the best of luck with the training. Keep us updated how it goes.
 
Well It was just to hot to take him out this morning, at 0530 it was 78 degrees and by the time it broke day light it was already 83 degrees, so we turned it around and will wait for cooler weather, not only that the wind was blowing at 35-40 mile an hour gusts, the birds generally will just run when the wind is blowing like that.

Armored farmer, looks like the life of Riley there, I'll bet he is a go getter once he gets out there though.

hq, I do believe he is going to pan out, he sure is hyper though right now, still having a hard time getting him to sit and stay for any length of time, something he is going to have to learn, when hunting ducks in the slews. Will keep you folks posted on his progress.
 
Don't know what happened to my last post, but did get him out the other morning when it was only 65 degrees, with no wind. Anyway my honey spot was completely dry and void of any quail. My dog worked really well but we only stayed out for a short period of time as due to finding my spring all dried up. Did take him out the other evening but it was really warm again and saw a Mohave Green Rattle Snake. I'm gonna have to wait until it gets a lot cooler, as there is no sense in risking losing him to a snake bite. BTW he acts really birdy and definitely checks the areas out that would hold quail..BTW he finally started to sit and stay for quite a distance now as long as he knows there is a treat involved when I give the command to come.
 
"saw a Mohave Green Rattle Snake. I'm gonna have to wait until it gets a lot cooler, as there is no sense in risking losing him to a snake bite."

If you have many poisonous snakes in your area, you can "snake-proof" your dog using an e-collar.
Catch a snake, it doesn't have to be poisonous. Let your dog jump in and out with the snake like they do. When he gets real close or touches the snake, zap him with the e-collar at its highest number. Do it again in a couple of weeks. If your dog won't go after it the second time, shove the snake close to your dog and zap him again. That will work for about a year and then you need to do it again as a refresher.

I did this with my dog who thought she was a snake charmer. She will refuse to go within 10-15 feet of any snake now..
 
I may have to try that technique, I've got a buddy who's son has a non poisonous snake in his aquarium, I don't think he would mind my using it to train him. I do have a training collar that emits a static shock but I hate to use that on him at this time, for fear that he will just trail behind me all the time if used on him. BTW I'm taking him to a professional dog trainer November 7th to get him smoothed out, and I'll have to get his advice.
 
Yes, wait until your pup is older and larger before using that technique.
We have lots of cottonmouths down here and my spaniel is primarily a duck and dove dog. We also have quite a few pygmy rattlers. I haven't seen a big diamondback in over 10 years though.
You can use that "aversion technique" for other things too but I only used it to save my dog from being bitten by poisonous snakes or alligators.
 
Took him out to the river this morning as the temperature was down to 62 at sunrise. Always see quail at that time of the morning, and haven't seen any rattlers around there in years. The only problem is they made it a State Park so you can't shoot a shotgun. Anyways we weren't out there 15 minutes and I noticed him getting birdy, and low and behold if he didn't put up a covey of about 15-20 quail. He had the most puzzled look on his face when they took off. Then a short time later he put up another small covey of about 7-8 birds busting from cover a few seconds after one another. Believe me I praised the heck out of him and he really got excited and started cold tracking. We stayed out there about an hour or so and when we got back to the truck he slept all the way home (10 minute drive at the most) in the passengers seat. I do believe this dog is gonna be a natural, he'll be 4 months old November 4th, and already he is getting excited about flushing birds.
 
Having your dog with you as much as possible is the best way to make a good hunting dog. I was able to teach my little pit bull to hunt squirrel and rabbit with me. He retrieved but was very slow at giving the catch to me.
 
Bfh auto, Ranger goes with me, just about every where I go, otherwise he cries like a baby if I leave him alone. He about drives my wife batty. some how I'm going to have to break of that, especially when it gets hot out here, which it will, as soon as summer starts up. However I hope to be up north around Utah during that time living in our travel trailer at KOA's. BTW I'll bet no one argued with that pit bull out in the hunting fields.

Drunken Poacher, good looking retriever you've got there, nothing like an Irish Setter for a best friend, a good buddy of mine used to have one, which he called "Murphy". That dog was exceptionally smart and excellent on pheasant, partridge, as well as ducks. Unfortunately most of the hunting instinct was bred out of them in favor of show dogs in the last few years. Don't look like you have to worry though.

Armored Farmer, good looking Springer Spaniel, there, I noted his brown coloring is very similar to Ranger's feet, and eyebrows. He appears very intent on whatever is out in that field. Springer's are truly a very special breed of hunting dogs.
 
Armored Farmer, good looking Springer Spaniel, there, I noted his brown coloring is very similar to Ranger's feet, and eyebrows. He appears very intent on whatever is out in that field. Springer's are truly a very special breed of hunting dog

Weeeeelll, haha .....
She's actually a French Brittany.

It was a rabbit. She rides in the tractor every day that Mrs farmer drives it.
 
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Drunken Poacher, good looking retriever you've got there, nothing like an Irish Setter for a best friend, a good buddy of mine used to have one, which he called "Murphy". That dog was exceptionally smart and excellent on pheasant, partridge, as well as ducks. Unfortunately most of the hunting instinct was bred out of them in favor of show dogs in the last few years. Don't look like you have to worry though.
Thanks, actually a Golden Retriever 11 months old and very talented in spite of his coach.

There are some breeders resurrecting the Irish Setter as a hunting dog. They are calling them Red Setters to separate them from the show bred Irish Setter.
 
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