Guard shoots armed robber

......and I believe that if he's not working he's carrying illegally in NJ.....we'll see on that one.

......and I believe that if he's not working he's carrying illegally in NJ.....we'll see on that one.

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I wonder if he was a roving guard traveling from location to location?

I can' think of two euphemisms for this situation:

"If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid."

"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week"

Violence of action goes a long way towards seizing the initiative and taking control of a situation... Which in it's own way tends to end situations in a better outcome for everyone... well, most people involved. I would like to reference my favorite training video on the subject:

This proves that a revolver, by someone knowledgeable in its use and willing to use it, can still be a very effective weapon. If you examine the real world shootings, and read the advice of experts, "the gun is the least of it" rings true and the capacity isn't such a big deal as some think.

I've been rewatching the video throughout the day.

My take away is that all four people involved were very lucky, for different reasons.

xXxplosive said:

......and I believe that if he's not working he's carrying illegally in NJ.....we'll see on that one.

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I was under the impression he was assigned at that 7-11

There are several questions we don't have an answer to that I think we need an answer to before we can really comment intelligently.

Was the guard posted at thst 7-Eleven or did he just randomly happen by? I know that there are many convenience stores nowadays who have armed security after dark.

When he looked over the counter and he shot black hoodie (Who I presume was laying on the ground) did black hoodie have a gun in his hand? Was he pointing it towards the guard? I would think that would be a very legitimate reason to shoot.

Having said that I still think turning his back on blue hoodie was bad juju as was jumping over that counter. I'm also fairly certain the attendant never called 9-1-1 because after the guard told him to you see him walk into the screen from behind the guard and just stand there.

ETA I wanted to mention that jumping over the counter is bad because if he slips or he falls, they've got his gun

I've worked as an armed guard and the training is minimal at best. The prerequisite criteria was a bachelor's degree in criminal justice (they didn't care if it came from Everest College as long as you had a bachelor's degree) or former law enforcement experience. (If you made it all the way through the academy but never found an actual job as a cop they'd hire you) or prior military in a combat arms MOS ( I qualified because I was a 13 Bravo because artillery is synonymous with small arms?). The real bottom line is if they wanted arm you they'd find a way to make you meet the criteria.

Once you're in the actual training consisted of 40 hours of the NRA basic handgun safety course and a square range qualification.

It's not a bad course in itself but it doesn't prepare you for the role that this guy was in. We had no training in taking people into custody, we had absolutely no tactical handgun training, no shoot and move, none of that. In fact it was pretty much taken for granted that if your handgun EVER came out of the holster you were done.

I said all that to say this. Based on my previous experience I would be willing to bet the. Guard has minimal training at best and was really no different than a novice concealed handgun permit holder who is just dropped into that position.

Comments retracted. Opinion changed after watching video on better computer.

BSA1 said:

It does show how differently our perceptions are.

I see a Officer walking into a convenience store that was not expecting trouble. The reason I believe he was not expecting trouble was the video (30 second mark) shows him drawing his gun from the holster.

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It does indeed! I see the gun and gun hand being the first thing through the doorway. I don't see any movement that indicates a draw from a holster. I see a gun in the hand when he walks in, pointed down as he enters and brought straight up to fire.

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It does indeed! I see the gun and gun hand being the first thing through the doorway. I don't see any movement that indicates a draw from a holster. I see a gun in the hand when he walks in, pointed down as he enters and brought straight up to fire.

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I went back and watch the video.
If you're watching the door you can see him charging up the side walk. He grabs the door and comes through it gun in hand shooting.

Trunk Monkey said:

I went back and watch the video.
If you're watching the door you can see him charging up the side walk. He grabs the door and comes through it gun in hand shooting.

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Agreed.

It's also possibly worth pointing out that whilst it hard to see him clearly when he's outside, because of the interior light glare on the windows, as it's dark outside, he can probably see quite clearly into the store through those same windows.

Tactics be damned. That was cool to watch. Do you think anything might have change if he was in street cloths? I'm sure they thought he was some bad ass cop. I loved it any way.
Probably carries Buffalo Bore FBI loads in that revolver....lol.

I didnt see black hoodie ever produce a gun. I think he was just the "bag the money" guy.
I dont think security guard could of known that. I think its reasonable to assume (for his own safetys sake), that if one BG has a gun so does the other. So I think that warrants the point blank shot to black hoodie. But I wonder, if in hindsight, he might reflect back and think charging up to the counter was reckless.

Sauer Grapes said:

Probably carries Buffalo Bore FBI loads in that revolver....lol.

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Probably carries exactly what his employer issues him and is probably accountable for every. single.round.
I actually had an employer make me sign a recipt because I had to DX one round.

Well I had the opportunity tonight to watch the robbery video on a much better computer and larger screen. After watching the video I retract my previous comments. I keep forgetting that my Midwest Bible belt values do not apply to places like New Jersey.

If the Security Officer was carrying in violation of State Law which is being suggested then he is in for a long prison sentence. Mandatory prison sentence for the gun violation and time for shooting two disadvantaged inner city youths trapped by lack of job, drugs and lack of education. All to often we see how gun laws are intended to punish the average law abiding citizen.

What I do disagree with is ohihunter2014 statement that “can see it happening before i walk in i am walking back to the truck and calling 911 and do everything to get a description of the suspect, vehicle and which way they went.”

Me? Working in New Jersey? I am getting in my vehicle and leaving. If I stick around and give a statement to Officers what happens if one of the Officers observes that I am carrying either on my person or in my vehicle illegally? All for trying to help the Police catch the bad guys who will most likely never even go to trial if by some odd chance they get caught.

I know of very experienced white LEO’s that say they will never shoot a young black man. It is not worth the political and media storm that will follow. We had a white Officer that interrupted a young, black male breaking into cars in a parking garage. The black male fired a shot at the officer and ran away. The Officer did not return gunfire or make any attempt to pursue his attacker as it was not worth the investigation and political fallout to him that would follow if he had shot the other person.

Sad but welcome to Obama's America where the Police act stupidly.

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Well I had the opportunity tonight to watch the robbery video on a much better computer and larger screen. After watching the video I retract my previous comments. I keep forgetting that my Midwest Bible belt values do not apply to places like New Jersey.

If the Security Officer was carrying in violation of State Law which is being suggested then he is in for a long prison sentence. Mandatory prison sentence for the gun violation and time for shooting two disadvantaged inner city youths trapped by lack of job, drugs and lack of education. All to often we see how gun laws are intended to punish the average law abiding citizen.

What I do disagree with is oilhunter2014 statement that “can see it happening before i walk in i am walking back to the truck and calling 911 and do everything to get a description of the suspect, vehicle and which way they went.”

Me? working in New Jersey? I am getting in my vehicle and leaving. If I stick around and give a statement to Officers what happens if one of the Officers observes that I am carrying either on my person or in my vehicle illegally? All for trying to help the Police catch the bad guys who will most likely never even go to trial if by some odd chance they get caught.

I know of very experienced white LEO’s that say they will never shoot a young black man. It is not worth the political and media storm that will follow. We had a white Officer that interrupted a young, black male breaking into cars in a parking garage. The black male fired a shot at the officer and ran away. The Officer did not return gunfire or make any attempt to pursue his attacker as it was not worth the investigation and political fallout to him that would follow if he had shot the other person.

Sad but welcome to Obama's America where the Police act stupidly.

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We can agree to disagree then.

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We can agree to disagree then.

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Yep. When in Rome do as the Romans do.

I don't agree with his tactics but it looked as though the perps had both sustained gunshot wounds and didn't have any fight left in them.
Lafitte

In any situation like this one does the best one can with the tools and circumstances at hand. Sometimes things turn out fine, sometimes not, most times somewhere in between. The man was employed to do a job. He did it as best he could at the moment. Power to him and can the second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking. Until one has been in a similar situation one should remember that we are all imperfect but that the right intentions quite often go a long way toward the right outcome.

Good day for that shopkeepers kid

Kleanbore said:

This apparently happened in Compton, CA.

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Literally every source says it happened in Hamilton New Jersey

You know BSA, just as many black officers shoot black offenders. There are some stats I believe that it's just as likely a black cop will pull the trigger faster than a white one.