I handled the new Ruger EC9S...I want one

you can find the lc9 pro in that price range now.

I have to admit, the milled-in front sights are pretty much a showstopper for me; the idea that a gun might shoot a bit off point-of-aim, and there'd be no way to correct it, would fire up my OCD like a nobody's business.

Larry

You can "adjust" sights easy enough with a file... At least... in some directions ;D

DT Guy said:

I have to admit, the milled-in front sights are pretty much a showstopper for me; the idea that a gun might shoot a bit off point-of-aim, and there'd be no way to correct it, would fire up my OCD like a nobody's business.

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Integral sights are rarely not correctly aligned. Movable sights are the kind that are more frequently not fitted perfectly at the factory and need adjustment.

gc70 said:

Integral sights are rarely not correctly aligned. Movable sights are the kind that are more frequently not fitted perfectly at the factory and need adjustment.

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I understand, but I've seen enough guns which need a bit of adjustment from 'centered' to shoot to POA to make me concerned.

Larry

I picked up one. I think it was $214 Delivered.

I like the fixed sights. Nothing to break off if you drop it. It isn't a target gun for me. Sights are close enough for me.I can stay in the 9 ring on a B-25 at 25 feet.

Nice and reliable. Not sure why it is so much less than the LC9s, the only difference I see are the fixed sight and fewer slide cuts.

I'm looking at these very hard. I'm also looking at the Walther PPS M2.

Rural King has a rebate program going on. It's not a TRUE discount, but getting a gift card back to buy some ammo isn't bad, I guess.

I rather like the milled in sights. For a SD pistol, I don't plan on trying to pull off spectacular head shots. If I line the gun up on a bad guy CM, I'm ok if the holes punch 1/4" right or left.

I'm going to think about this evening. I do like the quality and extra mag with the PPS, but I'm a huge Ruger fan.

armoredman said:

It was just wide enough to fit decent, and with the finger rest magazine it filled the hand just fine. Trigger was nothing special, but certainly usable, with a trigger dingus that did stick way out. The sights lined up perfectly when I brought it up to eye level. Everything seemed to work when cycling in the store, and then the price tag...

$249.

For a NEW Ruger pistol. I get that a lot of the saving are the sights milled into the slide, very old school, no adjustment possible, belly gun style. I can live with that on a BUG, as long as it will print close to aim with a decent load. I've also found it cheaper at other places but this was the first time I'd handled it.
So, yeah the CZ guy wants a cheap Ruger, go figure. Gotta schedule an overtime now.

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Unless you do not have a carry gun you're throwing $250 away. Certainly not worth extra work time unless you love your job.

At that price point I really don't find the milled in sights all that objectionable. For that kind of money as long as it goes "bang" when it's supposed and doesn't when it's not supposed to, I could live with it.

Much like the new Security 9 I'm not really sure what the point of the EC9s is.

This is coming from someone who's been carrying a LC9s for a couple years.

I see no disadvantage to having the fixed sights. At what range would you be taking shots other than point blank?

The release of the EC9 really screwed us small shops. Now we are stuck with LC9s's that we paid as much for wholesale as the EC9S retails for... We are now stuck either keeping or losing money on the LC9's. Guess we will just fire sale them and take the hit. Heck, the EC9 even comes with a LC9 instruction manual. When our margin is $50-$70 on new pistols, its hard to eat a loss.

Cloud said:

you can find the lc9 pro in that price range now.

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I just saw one go for $215 on gunbroker used. The lowest price I see new is $247 at Sportsmansguide if you're a member of their buyer's club. 270 with free ship at another place.

I think the price at SG is great considering it's new and given you can put night sights or fiber optics on the LC9s, I think it the better choice if the price is 270 or less.

gc70 said:

Integral sights are rarely not correctly aligned. Movable sights are the kind that are more frequently not fitted perfectly at the factory and need adjustment.

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I have a Heritage revolver with fixed sights that shoot about a foot left at 25 yards. Fixed sights can be off and when they are it sucks. Given the many Ruger's QC issues in recent years, the potential is certainly there an EC9s will have similar issues.

Jackal said:

The release of the EC9 really screwed us small shops. Now we are stuck with LC9s's that we paid as much for wholesale as the EC9S retails for... We are now stuck either keeping or losing money on the LC9's. Guess we will just fire sale them and take the hit. Heck, the EC9 even comes with a LC9 instruction manual. When our margin is $50-$70 on new pistols, its hard to eat a loss.

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That sucks, I can imagine what it's like having to decide how to not lose money. There's two things you could do before dropping prices:

1. wait for Ruger to offer rebates. This is unlikely as Ruger generally seems averse to doing rebates, but if sales aren't good for Ruger guns, they may do it.
2. Throw in something for free or for discount with the purchase of an LC9s. See what the best deals you can get on LC9 mags are and add one in for free. Throw in a free holster or a couple boxes of ammo. Have a model on display with some fiber optic sights and show customers the difference between it and the EC9s. A lot of people will say the LC9s is a pocket gun, point blank gun, yada yada, but with the trigger on it, it can stretch out to 15-20 yards... if the sights are good.

There's a lot you can do to spur a sale. Best of luck to u.

cp1969 said:

I see no disadvantage to having the fixed sights. At what range would you be taking shots other than point blank?

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I have no idea what range I'll need a defensive pistol at; if I could foretell that, I'd presumably know when and where it would happen, also, and simply not go there.

Larry

TTv2 said:

I have a Heritage revolver with fixed sights that shoot about a foot left at 25 yards. Fixed sights can be off and when they are it sucks. Given the many Ruger's QC issues in recent years, the potential is certainly there an EC9s will have similar issues.

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There is quite a bit of difference between screwing a barrel into a frame to align revolver sights and a CNC milling machine cutting integral sights into a pistol slide.

gc70 said:

There is quite a bit of difference between screwing a barrel into a frame to align revolver sights and a CNC milling machine cutting integral sights into a pistol slide.

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I concur. I don't see this being a big issue. Ruger is taking a popular model they have produced for several years and is simply milling in rudimentary sights instead dovetailing in adjustable ones. I've never had an issue putting a hole where I wanted it using any of my LCPs or fixed sight Ruger revolvers. I don't think I would win any Bullseye competitions, but I couldn't win those shooting off bag with a scope anyway

The milled sights should be minute of bad guy. As long as I am able to stitch 7 rounds into a paper plate as fast as I can from combat distances, I'm OK with that for MY uses for this gun.