Learn something everyday...3rd Model Dragoon

Is Uberti the only manufacturer that still produces the Dragoon?

maint1517 said:

Is Uberti the only manufacturer that still produces the Dragoon?

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I believe so. If I had the cash I would go for a Second Model with the rectangular bolt stop slots and the squareback TG.

If you get it I would absolutely check the arbor fit to the barrel lug and modify accordingly.

Yes, Uberti is the only one that makes a Dragoon or Walker. They are also the only one that still makes pocket pistols.

ASM made a 3rd model Dragoon cut for a shoulder stock with a folding leaf rear sight on the barrel. It came in 8" and 18" barrel lengths with a holster.

My 2nd Gen Colt C Series 3rd Dragoon is at the Goon's for Goonerization. My Urberti Whitneyville Dragoon was there First and I have it back.

Dixie gun Works sells the Uberti Military cut-for-shoulder-stock 3rd Model Dragoon. Colt Signature Series used to make one too. Neither the Uberti nor the Sig Series have the folding 3-Leaf rear sight like the original Colt Military 3rd Dragoon. Both of these version have the verticle loading lever latch, most of the original Colt Military 3rd Dragoon's had the horizontal latch, like the 1851 Navy's latch.

ASM is the only manufacturer to make a Military 3rd Dragoon with a folding 3-Leaf rear sight, like Finger's posted. They also made a long barreled version with 16 or 18 inch barrel. The ASM Military 3rd Dragoon's I have seen did have the horizontal loading lever latch, it would not suprize me if some of them might have had the verticle latch but I can't recall seeing one.

As far as I know, ASM is the only manufacturer that actually made a shoulder stock for these. They made these stocks in both brass and blued steel versions. If anybody knows of a Uberti or Sig Series Dragoon stock I would like to hear about it.

While we're on the topic of 3rd Model Dragoon's, Colt Sig Series also made a fully fluted 3rd Model Dragoon.

I had a nice Uberti 1 Model dragoon. Traded it to David Carrico of Carrico leather for some period correct holsters and gunbelt and some other stuff. He makes a lot of stuff for the movies and provides cavalry actors. He in turn rented it to the makers of the 2010 True Grit movie. I thought it was going to be in Mattie's hand as her dragoon, but it ended up with Jeff Bridges when he pulled out his Colts Navies from the pommel holsters. Yeah, the movie got it wrong, but I get to see the ole girl every so often.

Collector's Firearms' archive section shows a number of original Colt 3rd Model Dragoon's of the Military version.
http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?category=911&subcategory=1039

Here is an ASM EMF Hartford Civilian 3rd Model Dragoon:




(Sadly, it is not mine!!!)

LonesomePigeon said:

As far as I know, ASM is the only manufacturer that actually made a shoulder stock for these. They made these stocks in both brass and blued steel versions.

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Dr. Davis (bprevolver) said that there were three types of ASM 3rd Model Dragoon stocks. He said the earliest were blued steel, then they used dark anodized brass and finally went to bright brass.

So can anyone tell me what ranges the folding leafs were supposed to be good at? Is ther actually a fixed notch between the two that fold or does one actually use the hammer notch like a regular Colt?

-kBob

kBob said:

So can anyone tell me what ranges the folding leafs were supposed to be good at? Is ther actually a fixed notch between the two that fold or does one actually use the hammer notch like a regular Colt?

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On my set, there is a fixed sight with a groove in the middle between the two leaves of the rear sight.
The leaves are not marked in anyway that I can see.

The fixed center element of the rear sight rises 1/8" above the base of the rear sight which is a 1/16" above the top of the barrel lug flat, which is another 1/16" above the top of the round barrel (all measurements done with a 1/32" ruler and 69 year old eyeballs.)
This puts the top of the fixed center element at 1/4" above the top of the round barrel.
The rear, short leaf is 1/16" higher than the center sight so it is 5/16" above the top of the round barrel.
The forward, tall leaf is 1/8" higher than the center sight so it is 3/8" above the top of the round barrel.

All rear sight elements have 1/32" deep notches cut into them
The notches are 1/16" wide at the top narrowing to a sharp point.
Each notch is cut so that the front of the notch is 3 times wider than the back of the notch.

The front sight is a ramp that rises to a flat that is 1/8" above the top of the round part of the barrel.
Said front sight flat is surmounted with a pin that extends another 1/8" above the flat so the top of the pin is 1/4" above the top of the round part of the barrel.
The pin is 17.5" in front of the fixed center rear sight element with the front leaf 1/16" closer and the rear leaf 1/16" further away.

Lining up the notch in the fixed center rear sight so that the top of the front sight pin aligned with the top of the rear notch would indicate that the barrel was level.
Using the rear leaf in a similar manner would raise the muzzle 1/16" or 0.2 degrees of elevation.
Using the forward leaf in a similar manner would raise the muzzle 1/8" or 0.4 degrees of elevation.

I have not shot this set so I can not relate these specifications into practical distance data.

Ephraim,

Thanks for your report of the measurements. Now I know something I did not.

-kBob

This is the picture that the seller posted on Armslist back in November, 2017:

My phone is full of pictures of the grandkids at Disney World which need to be moved to my computer before I can take any more gun pictures with it.
My middle name is "PROCRASTINATION!"
Note that this one has the vertical civilian style loading lever latch and the older anodized style stock.