AIWB gun goes off...

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Jim Watson said:
I saw him throw away the holster. Did you see something else? Is there a way to run youtube and other videos in slow motion?
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Yes....he throws the gun, then holster, then undoes his belt and fly then reaches in (not in pocket) and throws something else. On YouTube over in the lower right where it shows a little gear that has 'HD' if in high-def if you click on it you get settings....where speed can be set. 1/4 is the slowest I can watch and the thing that the guy pitches is only a few frames worth but I'm convinced it's what did the trigger press. The video I watched is not on YouTube and the player is something else so I can't see a way to slow it down. Perhaps someone more computer savvy can help?
 
I watched the video. Several times.The discharge occurred at 28 seconds. 3 seconds later, the lady responded (conveniently already wearing rubber gloves, for some reason), and ran at full speed with no loss of motor skills, retrieved a tourniquet, and told the other man to call 911. Total time from bang to processing the situation, closing the distance, retrieving medical equipment, telling the other man to call 911, and starting the initial casualty assessment is less than 20 seconds- quite a feat since there was no training scenario or real-world tactical situation, and she didn't even appear to be situationally aware of anything prior to the discharge- in fact, she had her back to the entire incident, and responded textbook-appropriate in 3 seconds. Just a few observations.
 
You could download the video and run it on a player at a slow speed. VLC would work.

I don't think its real at this point. We should have more info about by now if its real.
 
I remember an airline pilot accidentally shot his jet in 2008. Wasn't there a big fuss about stupidly designed holsters the FAA forced them to use? I seem to recall a ridiculous design that had a pin or lock running through the trigger guard. I believe they were set up so that if you pushed the gun down in the holster, the pin or whatever applied pressure to the trigger. Maybe Dianne Feinstein designed it.
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Yes holster had a hole for a padlock to the threaded into the trigger guard of the pistol. If things went as designed it went behind the trigger. However from the one I saw and messed with, it was quite possible to end up with the shackle of the pad lock hitting the side of the trigger. I'm sure we can all see how badly that could go easily.

Also in regards to this thread, I do carry AIWB. When I still owned my P7M8, that was my appendix gun, as I had no fear of anything happening without conscious action. After I sold that, I went to a P225. With an external hammer I have positive confirmation that a decent amount of force is going to need to be applied through a hard kydex holster to activate the trigger.

-Jenrick
 
Striker fired means that there are other parts which can fail with no manipulation of the trigger.

I recently read of a Glock owner who unholstered his firearm and discovered the trigger held down - he unloaded it and cleared the chamber, at which time the striker released and the trigger moved forward. He speculated it could have gone off at any time.

Examination of slide indicated there may have been debris in the channel and there were questions about the square part that sticks out and that it's a MIM part.

The takeaway was that he likely holstered it trigger down in the first place, and just got lucky. How could a Glock malfunction and do that? It did and was photographed in that position.

I won't claim to have gotten all the facts in the above description correct or in the order he related it. I can point to another recent incident where a known weapon in service for over 45 years has now been found to discharge when you rotate the selector switch from one position to another, and that it being ambidextrous may or may not be involved - the M4. I'm quite sure Remington engineers had no input in it's design.

No gun is ever perfectly safe. And for the record, I don't know of any way to holster a gun and carry it without it muzzling some part of the human body. Quite a few call that out as being unsafe, nobody cares to describe the perfectly safe holster positioning that can absolutely prevent it.
 
Fine Figure of a Man said:
Sounds like a script for the opening scene of a 1970's porno.
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except there were no Glocks back then. Or 911 services. Rubber gloves? Sure- but good luck finding anything made of latex in a 1970's porn. And I have no idea what any of this has to do with my point, or my original post.
 
Tirod said:
No gun is ever perfectly safe. And for the record, I don't know of any way to holster a gun and carry it without it muzzling some part of the human body. Quite a few call that out as being unsafe, nobody cares to describe the perfectly safe holster positioning that can absolutely prevent it.
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Apart from way off the body 3 oclock OWB I agree, even then normal movement will have parts of your legs will eventually go in front of the barrel.

I have also observed multiple folk carrying at 4 or 5 o'clock sweep their spine while holstering and unholsteting. I'd rather lose a nad over my ability to walk.
 
[I think you can see him shoving a third object into his pants after he holsters the gun.]

Looks like a magazine to me. He had a spare mag in there also?
 
FL-NC said:
except there were no Glocks back then. Or 911 services. Rubber gloves? Sure- but good luck finding anything made of latex in a 1970's porn. And I have no idea what any of this has to do with my point, or my original post.
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I am in agreement with you that the video is very odd and possibly staged.
 
JR24 said:
I have also observed multiple folk carrying at 4 or 5 o'clock sweep their spine while holstering and unholsteting.
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So have I but done properly they would not. AIWB pretty much holds a nad at gunpoint all day aside from that I find it very uncomfortable.
 
milemaker13 said:
Another thing I notice.... can't really say I blame the guy...but...he pulls the gun out and chucks it on the floor.

Now if this was a malfunctioning firearm (worn/ broken sear or some such what have you) that could have caused another AD possibly causing further injury or worse.
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Doubtful but possible. All the friction and stuff in the way would have resisted slide motion and would most likely have prevented it from chambering the next round.
 
They just need to happen together, and you can have this situation. The probability is remote, but is definitely not zero.
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I agree on all counts. That's why I think that something pulling the trigger is the more likely explanation. Because it's less remote--i.e. more likely. :D
I recently read of a Glock owner who unholstered his firearm and discovered the trigger held down - he unloaded it and cleared the chamber, at which time the striker released and the trigger moved forward. He speculated it could have gone off at any time.
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It would be very interesting to examine that gun/holster combo. Getting the trigger to the rear on a loaded chamber Glock without firing it is quite a trick. Doing so with a holstered Glock is almost the definition of impossible. The only way I can figure that it could happen would be for the trigger safety to be inoperative and for the gun to be severely torqued so that the slide was pulled far enough away from the frame that engagement was lost between the striker and trigger bar. That would release the striker and if the slide were still being forced away from the frame sufficiently, the firing pin safety might not be engaged by the trigger bar, thus preventing the striker from hitting the primer. If the trigger safety were also inoperative, then the trigger return spring would pull the trigger to the rear.

That would leave the gun in the condition described. Unfired with the trigger to the rear. I don't have a good feel for how much force would have to be applied to force the slide up and away from the frame far enough for all that to take place, but it's a lot--enough that I would expect to see some evidence of it during an examination of the pistol.

When he cleared the chamber, the action of the slide would cause the trigger to reset forward and be restored to normal operation assuming that whatever force torqued the slide away from the frame didn't bend/break something.

I can't come up with a plausible way for the striker to be held to the rear with the trigger also fully to the rear without something jamming the trigger so that it was not movable. If the trigger were to the rear while still in engagement with the striker (possibly due to a problem with the connector) then once pressure was released on the trigger, it would immedialy move forward under the pressure of the striker spring which is significant.

If trigger weren't in engagement with the striker then there would be nothing holding the striker to the rear and the striker would go forward to either fire the gun or stop against the firing pin safety depending on whether or not the firing pin safety is working.
 
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