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I was having issues with the pictures, refer to post 3 for what should've been the 1st post...
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Got A Kirst Konversion!
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Going to go look for the instructions on how to post pics...
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Took me 3 posts to get this right...
The conversion came in today; I tried it in the 1858 Remington, and it fit, sorta.
The "flat" on the ring for the cylinder was catching on the frame, not allowing it to cycle properly. With the flat of the ring touching the bottom of the frame so the firing pin can align with a chamber, the base pin will not go in all the way.
This last pic shows the instructions from Kirst on how to go about correcting this issue.
Looks like I'm going to have to file some metal off of the flat on the cylinder ring, any of you have thoughts on this?
Thanks.
The conversion came in today; I tried it in the 1858 Remington, and it fit, sorta.
The "flat" on the ring for the cylinder was catching on the frame, not allowing it to cycle properly. With the flat of the ring touching the bottom of the frame so the firing pin can align with a chamber, the base pin will not go in all the way.
This last pic shows the instructions from Kirst on how to go about correcting this issue.
Looks like I'm going to have to file some metal off of the flat on the cylinder ring, any of you have thoughts on this?
Thanks.
Never had a Kirst, but it sounds to me like a simple case of be careful and be level...
Make SURE everything is as square as possible... Take off a few strokes and try it... Take off a few strokes and try it again... Take off TOO much and youre sunk.
Let us know how it goes... Ive been thinking about keeping my taylors for the Remmi but switching out the colt with the gated Kirst... Somewhere around 2047 when I can actually afford to do so LoL
Make SURE everything is as square as possible... Take off a few strokes and try it... Take off a few strokes and try it again... Take off TOO much and youre sunk.
Let us know how it goes... Ive been thinking about keeping my taylors for the Remmi but switching out the colt with the gated Kirst... Somewhere around 2047 when I can actually afford to do so LoL
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We have the same financial adviser, I see.
Very nice, sir, slow and easy, and very nice indeed.
Very nice, sir, slow and easy, and very nice indeed.
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I had the same problem with my conversion cylinder or a Pietta Remington NMN. Just took a couple of light strokes with a Swiss file and it fit perfectly.
I had the same problem with my conversion cylinder or a Pietta Remington NMN. Just took a couple of light strokes with a Swiss file and it fit perfectly.
I'd do what bannockburn says. However, just grins - try putting in just the ring w/o the cylinder. Will the cylinder pin bottom out?
If you don't have a file, use automotive black sandpaper laid on a level surface. 600grit
If you don't have a file, use automotive black sandpaper laid on a level surface. 600grit
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Looks to be in there kind of cockeyed. Should backup flush to the recoil shield.
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Looks a bit canted in there, shouldn't it be parallel to the recoil shield of the pistol?
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It should fit all the way back against the recoil surface. The picture shows it not even close.
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That's because there's no cylinder in the gun, if I hold it upright and put the gun at half cock, the ring sits up against the recoil shield.
With the hammer down it's a little cockeyed though.
With the hammer down it's a little cockeyed though.
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So the hammer down is pushing the ring out at top?, which would account the cockeyed appearance, with the entire cylinder installed the hammer would be held back so first you have to be able to fully install the whole cylinder then go from there.
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here's some pics of the cylinder in the gun. see how the ring is up against the recoil shield. I'm Thinking that since the flat on the cylinder is Too Tall the base pin cannot go in all the way.
Here's a picture with the gun at full cock with the cylinder installed;
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also, the cylinder w/o the ring fits and cycles perfectly. this tells me the ring needs to be filed a bit shorter.
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Old and slow, that's me. I was looking at as a standard conversion cylinder where the whole cylinder is rotated, AKA, my Kirst 1860 Army cylinder. I looked at those for the 1860 Army with the injector housed in the frame.Realized from an economics point of view I couldn't justify it. As a Colt fan someday I'll spring for a Richards/Mason.
Hmm, I do have an old Pietta 1860 however that I have no money tied up in, it was a gift. Its a beater though would have to go to Goon first.
Hmm, I do have an old Pietta 1860 however that I have no money tied up in, it was a gift. Its a beater though would have to go to Goon first.
It must be a common deal going on here...
I got the Kirst Gated Konversion ( 45 colt / 45 Schofield ) for a 1858 NMA and when I put it in the cylinder did the very same thing you talk about,
So I did something quite out of character for me and I read the " troubleshooting " section and again did what it said to do and low and behold it worked like a charm.
The cylinder rotates grand and smooth, leaves no " silver ring " behind.
Just gotta get out and shoot it now.
If I can Squirrel away some extra cash without the other half finding out I have money ,,,( i'm not holding my breath on that though ,,ha !!! ) I might send it down to Mr goon to have him make it mo-beta for me,,,, you still do " tune-ups don't you Mike ?.
I got the Kirst Gated Konversion ( 45 colt / 45 Schofield ) for a 1858 NMA and when I put it in the cylinder did the very same thing you talk about,
So I did something quite out of character for me and I read the " troubleshooting " section and again did what it said to do and low and behold it worked like a charm.
The cylinder rotates grand and smooth, leaves no " silver ring " behind.
Just gotta get out and shoot it now.
If I can Squirrel away some extra cash without the other half finding out I have money ,,,( i'm not holding my breath on that though ,,ha !!! ) I might send it down to Mr goon to have him make it mo-beta for me,,,, you still do " tune-ups don't you Mike ?.
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Mr Wack,
Yes sir, every day! One poster on this very page (hey whughett !!) is waiting on my camless hammer ( which will play a roll in "fixing" all older revolvers you can't get parts for) and another on this page just got a previously tuned Walker updated to coil springs (hey Blackpowdershooter44 !!)!!
The coil springs for all the Open Tops, Remington's (no matter the make) and ROA's are standard now (all but the O.T. hand compression springs are made in house) which shortens the work time considerably!
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Yes sir, every day! One poster on this very page (hey whughett !!) is waiting on my camless hammer ( which will play a roll in "fixing" all older revolvers you can't get parts for) and another on this page just got a previously tuned Walker updated to coil springs (hey Blackpowdershooter44 !!)!!
The coil springs for all the Open Tops, Remington's (no matter the make) and ROA's are standard now (all but the O.T. hand compression springs are made in house) which shortens the work time considerably!
Mike
Hey mike could you pm me with some more details , eg ,, what can be done and everything involved to slick this conversion up .
If you can get it as slick as you did my 1860 it will be awesome, please fill my brain full of details , including the cylinder side of it,,
oh and price of-course
Sorry for hijacking this thread for a while fella's , won't happen agin.
PM ONLY..we like secrets.
If you can get it as slick as you did my 1860 it will be awesome, please fill my brain full of details , including the cylinder side of it,,
oh and price of-course
Sorry for hijacking this thread for a while fella's , won't happen agin.
PM ONLY..we like secrets.
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Hey drobs,
Originally, that was what I planned on doing. The trouble shooting guide also stated that filing that part slightly would correct the problem if the ring is too tall.
Problem is, if I hold the gun up to the light, I can see a sliver of light under the 'flat' of the cylinder ring, and also the cylinder itself is sitting just barely higher than the cylinder ring. This is causing the bolt to have trouble locking into the cylinder when the gun is cocked, and the base pin is still not going all the way. I'm thinking if I file the legs or the flat of the ring, would that just make it worse? Hope this post makes sense lol. I contacted Kirst and they said I was going to have to modify the ring most likely.
When the cylinder is installed with no ring, it cycles perfectly.
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If you look closely, you can see the top of the cylinder sitting just a bit higher than the ring. Post #15 includes a larger pic.
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As the New England winter is drawing closer its time for the wusses among us, yours truly included, to move into the indoor heated range. Trouble is no black powder shooting allowed. Thanks to conversion cylinders I can still shoot the 1860 Army and the R&S. Just another perk of the conversion cylinders. Just more time at the loading bench.
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Today was the day..
It took about an hour of filing and putting the cylinder back in the gun, but in the end it fits correctly. I would guess it took me 80 passes with the file.
It took about an hour of filing and putting the cylinder back in the gun, but in the end it fits correctly. I would guess it took me 80 passes with the file.
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