Which 10/22?

ATLDave said:

So red-dots are better for 200-300 yard targets, and better for up close speed work, but are bad for marksmanship? I remain confused.

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2-300 Meters off a bipod or rest... and silhouette sized targets in poor light at 15 feet.

Stay confused.

It's only marksmanship.

Mine learned.
(they can hit tomato paste cans at 100 yards w/ aperture sights from field positions)

...so yours don't really have to.




GR

I didn't see any mention of your daughter's age or size. The 10/22 has a short length of pull which makes it better for small adults and that would be something to consider over the Marlin model 60. The Marlin will probably be more accurate out of the box.

It's already been mentioned but I will stress the point that you let your daughter pick it out. After all it's to be her gun, not yours.

ATLDave said:

I'm also not teaching her pistol shooting by requiring a one-handed bullseye stance first. If she wants to learn bullseye pistol or NRA high power iron-sighted shooting, I'll happily support her in it. Of all the competitions, she is mostly likely to get exposed to the speed-influenced practical games, though, since that's what I shoot.

For now, I'm just looking to give her easy access to fun, safe shooting and hitting things. I want low barriers to entry. We can add challenges later. Including iron sights.

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Hitting is fun - hitting a golf ball or running rabbit at 50 yards, or tomato paste cans at 100 yards, is really fun.

Missing... sucks, and gets old quick.

The difference is marksmanship.

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As for the pistol, would suggest going the other way and teach tactical shooting, and the "Mozambique" drill.

That is a skill readily applied in the modern world... that pays dividends.




GR

ATLDave said:

She's 11. I can't exactly turn her lose in the gun store and tell her to pick something! I need to present a pretty concise array of choices for her to look at. That's what I'm trying to get from this thread.

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GR

Here are 11 choices under 300 in a wide variety of colors. Pick her favorite and order, from a great website with likely the best prices you’ll find.

https://grabagun.com/firearms/rifle...anufacturer=2514&price=-300&stock_status=6268

I've owned several 10-22s over the years, never had a malfunction of any kind with any of them. This is my current model. It's the Sportsman (I think), walnut stock. The only thing I've done to it is BX trigger install and Weaver K4 scope. I once killed a ground hog with it at a range finder measured 70 yards, hitting it twice at that range. The gun is dead on accurate. It will be my last .22 rifle.

ATLDave said:

She's 11. I can't exactly turn her lose in the gun store and tell her to pick something! I need to present a pretty concise array of choices for her to look at. That's what I'm trying to get from this thread.

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You can keep her by your side and point out the choices and pros and cons of each. I'm now doing this with the great grandkids. It's worked well for me over the years. My oldest great grand daughter that just became 11 got to make her pick two years ago. I showed her what was available that she would be able to shoot. She chose a Crickett with, wait for it, a pink stock. I'm not a betting man but I would have put money on the pink. We wound up putting a small red dot on it at her request after she tried the factory sights and a small scope and she is a happy kid----and a pretty good shot. The main trouble is that the way she's growing it won't be all that long before Grandpa has to let her chose another gun. Her little sister is close to 8 and she will get the Crickett and she seems happy with that.

Garandimal said:

2-300 Meters off a bipod or rest... and silhouette sized targets in poor light at 15 feet.

Stay confused.

It's only marksmanship.

Mine learned.
(they can hit tomato paste cans at 100 yards w/ aperture sights from field positions)

...so yours don't really have to.




GR

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Don't know if you've noticed but it's now the 21st century. A lot of stuff has improved, even gunsights.

ATLDave you mention getting a .22 to plink with and teach your daughter to shoot with. Pick one, because what you want to plink with might not be what your daughter enjoys shooting.

I started my daughter shooting .22’s when she was 5. Like your intention, I started her with a red dot because they are so simple to understand which gets her on target quickly. With kids it’s all about keeping them interested, let them have fun now and work on the skills as you go. By 7 she was consistently knocking over beer cans with my Ruger Mark I with irons at 7 yards, so don’t let anyone tell you that a red dot is a hindrance.

Over the years she’s fired a ton of different .22’s between my collection and my FIL’s. What I’ve learned is she didn’t necessarily gravitate to any particular style such as wood/polymer stock, scope or irons, traditional sporter rifle vs modern sporting rifle. Nope, what my daughter liked is a gun that was light and small. Any gun that was light and small. Even with it’s chunky stock, one of her favorites was my FIL’s Henry Survival rifle, due to it’s 3.5lb weight. The 2nd favorite was my 522 due to the ergonomics, but it was far too heavy for her since it’s a copy in weight and feel to the same SIG chambered in 5.56. Anyway, for her 10th birthday I got her a S&W 15-22. It’s light and the ergonomics work great for her. I dare say I enjoy plinking with it a tad more than I do my SIG 522, and I can’t remember the last time either of us shot my 10/22 or Marlin 60.

22's ... in general are a weakness for me, at one time I had over 50 different makes/models pistols and carbine/rifle ranging from the tiny Colt Lord and Lady and Beretta Minx (both 22short) to a Hi Standard derringer and Remington 597 in 22 mag and lot of different ones in between.

The biggest problem with the 10-22 is that there are so many accessories, conversion kits and just plain "stuff" you can go broke with them ... I'm down to 8 for now, but I've had as many as 13 or 14 ... they're just so much fun and these days cheap to shoot!

a 50th aniversery with the full stock

a couple take-down, 16" and a Charger

An G36 Archangle kit

One of these days I want to build one of those Tommy gun kits and another with 2 guns that sit on a tripod and is operated by crank ... thre is just so much you can do with them!

Odd.....i got my first 1022 in second grade. Held my interest just fine and i preferred it iron sighted vs that POS Weaver V22. My Marling Glenfield 20 had mag quirks but w the longer sight radius and better trigger i liked it for squirrel hunting. Let my sister shoot my 1022 even on the range.....as the Marlin was easier to hit stuff with.

Pops left both guns stock. That poor 1022 had a typical 1022 trigger. If it had a trigger job then maybe id have liked it more. Really liked the trigger on the 222 i got in 6th grade

My favorite style of 1022

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They do make an even shorter length of pull 1022 called the compact these days.....if the reg carbine is too long

The BEST Ruger 10/22 says "Marlin, Model 60" on it.....

I'd let her pick it out but steer her towards the basic carbine model.

Other than a $40 scope mine has been fine for over 30 yrs and about 75k rounds.

It's perfectly capable of growing with her or left alone and something else becomes what she grows into...

Don't over think it.

I also agree with getting her to hit stuff early on and add challanges as her skill level grows.

Which one did you choose?

I bought a new Marlin 795 yesterday and it’s awesome!

If I was still waffling with decision overload on the 10/22, I’d recommend showing her a Wood Tube Fed Marlin 60 and a Black on Black Model 795. Two choices, pick your favorite, let’s go shooting this afternoon.

DDDWho said:

I've owned several 10-22s over the years, never had a malfunction of any kind with any of them. This is my current model. It's the Sportsman (I think), walnut stock. The only thing I've done to it is BX trigger install and Weaver K4 scope. I once killed a ground hog with it at a range finder measured 70 yards, hitting it twice at that range. The gun is dead on accurate. It will be my last .22 rifle.

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A fine rifle!! I like 10-22s, but don't like barrel-band models because they're not as accurate as I've been able to obtain with the sporter model. I really like the heft of a Sporter with wood stock and an after-market fluted target barrel, but if the standard barrel shoots very well, that works too.

My B.I.L.'s Stainless sporter model just didn't shoot great until we put an after-market fluted target barrel on it. Then, it shot MOA at 50 yards! I probably screwed up by selling it for him and not buying it myself!!!

ATLDave said:

For now, I'm just looking to give her easy access to fun, safe shooting and hitting things. I want low barriers to entry. We can add challenges later. Including iron sights.

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That's not a tall order with a 10/22. Pretty much any 10/22 for that matter. I've had my kids learn the ropes with a parts-bin special that has grown with them. Its current evolution phase is Target-model stock, fully suppressed + hand-lapped barrel, polished OEM action and trigger, 3-9 scope and a gear bag full of 10 and 30 round magazines. It started its life as a base model wood stock stainless gun and grew with the kids from then on.

So, take your pick (or better yet, let her have her say in this) and let the rest happen naturally over time. You can't really go wrong with a 10/22.

Hope the OP updates us with his and her decision soon.
Just leaving this out there as you can’t go wrong by giving her 10 minutes with this page and telling her to pick one, get it over with!

https://grabagun.com/firearms/rifle...anufacturer=2514&price=-300&stock_status=6268

I’ve got a bunch of them, they all go bang just like other .22’s, so if it’s that simple, just get the one she likes the most.

I prefer the older aluminum trigger groups but have the new plastic ones too. I’d skip the take down version unless that’s a feature you really want, if so read the manual that comes with it before you start playing with it.

I don’t have any with little slots in the side of the receiver, so I can’t help you there.

The 10/22 is the AR of .22’s if you can think of something you might want for it, someone likely offers it.

If I were going to use one for steel challenge, I’d pick my Clark custom but a number of my other ones would be suitable too.

I’ll pick up an STI one, if I come across one in the future because I kind of wanted one when they were making them but blew my play money at the time on open pistols instead.