1911 with shoulder stocks question...

Trashyshoots · May 7, 2020

I have a friend that loves the way the stocked 1911s look, however he is an amazing woodworker and wants to craft his own. Does anyone know of a company that sells the mainspring housing and shoulder stock adaptors with out a stock already on them? I can find entire stocks and the mainspring adapters, but not a kit to build your own.

Basically this, without the wood, because he wants to build his own, that would match his grips. https://www.cmrfirearms.com/pistols...tock-holster-colt-1911a1-acpref1cs-p-767.html

Also another question, we both know it will (stupidly) require an sbr stamp. (Hes fine with this) But once you have the stamp you're free to swap it back and forth correct? Or are you legally required to keep it as a "rifle"?

jmorris · May 7, 2020

He doesn't have to have a stamp but he would need to buy a 16" barrel for it,to use with the stock. Makes them a lot quieter too.

I imagine the expensive part of the stocks/housing is the adapter, might save a little if you could get it without the board though, at least in shipping.

Havok7416 · May 7, 2020

Iver Johnson makes the whole gun. Seems to be way easier.
https://iverjohnsonarms.com/1911a1-carbine.html

Texas10mm · May 7, 2020

Pistol - rifle - pistol is good to go.

Rifle - pistol - rifle requires paying a $200 tithe to the King and waiting for permission.

Olympus · May 7, 2020

Once you obtain the tax stamp to convert to an SBR, you can legally swap it back and forth between pistol and rifle configuration as you wish.

Trashyshoots · May 7, 2020

Havok7416 said:
Iver Johnson makes the whole gun. Seems to be way easier.
https://iverjohnsonarms.com/1911a1-carbine.html

He already has a colt for the project.

Texas10mm · May 7, 2020

Olympus said:
Once you obtain the tax stamp to convert to an SBR, you can legally swap it back and forth between pistol and rifle configuration as you wish.

If you go pistol - rifle - pistol there's no need for a tax stamp.

12Bravo20 · May 7, 2020

Texas10mm said:
If you go pistol - rifle - pistol there's no need for a tax stamp.

Absolutely correct.

Just make sure that you install the 16" barrel first before the stock. And make sure to remove the stock first before installing a barrel shorter than 16"

If you want a stock with a barrel shorter than 16", then you must register it as a SBR and pay the NFA tax.

HiDive · May 7, 2020

It seems like the operation would be hampered by the 16" barrel weight. Not to mention that it looks ridiculous, sorry just my opinion and that's not worth much.

Vern Humphrey · May 7, 2020

Make your adaptor of Kydex -- mold it to a tight fit to the existing grips, then use a lever buckle (https://www.ebay.com/i/143236186668?chn=ps) and nylon strap to snug the adaptor tightly to the frame.

Havok7416 · May 7, 2020

Trashyshoots said:
He already has a colt for the project.

Then maybe he's interested in selling me the barrel!

ETA: I'd take the whole goofy pistol minus the stock come to think of it.

jmorris · May 7, 2020

HiDive said:
It seems like the operation would be hampered by the 16" barrel weight. Not to mention that it looks ridiculous, sorry just my opinion and that's not worth much.

I can't argue with opinion but I can say they function just fine and are quieter.

I also can't say I have a lot of interest but did have enough that, after I played with a buck mark rifle for a bit, I bought a barrel.

I too haven't got around to a stock yet but was thinking blade or brace, don't know what yet, that's why I have only gone so far as knowing it runs just fine.

Olympus · May 7, 2020

Texas10mm said:
If you go pistol - rifle - pistol there's no need for a tax stamp.

Except the OP asked specifically about going the SBR route, so that's why I posted that.

Trashyshoots · May 8, 2020

Yeah, im mostly asking for if you get your stamp can you remove the stock for pistol shooting then put the stock back on for "sbr" shooting.

Those 16 inch 1911 barrels look.....awful, haha.

Hes fine with waiting for the stamp, and needing it, just want to be legal if he just wants to shoot it without the stock.

Spats McGee · May 8, 2020

There's a SCOTUS case out there involving Thompson Center & Contender pistol/rifle kits (IIRC) that basically says "If it's born a pistol, you can make it a rifle & switch back and forth, as long as you don't make an SBR along the way. If it's born a rifle, it's gotta stay a rifle unless you get a stamp to put a shorter barrel on it."

So:
Pistol -> rifle -> pistol = OK
Rifle -> pistol -> rifle = not OK

Olympus · May 8, 2020

Trashyshoots said:
Yeah, im mostly asking for if you get your stamp can you remove the stock for pistol shooting then put the stock back on for "sbr" shooting.

Those 16 inch 1911 barrels look.....awful, haha.

Hes fine with waiting for the stamp, and needing it, just want to be legal if he just wants to shoot it without the stock.

My last SBR was this past fall and it only took 30 days to get the approval. I used Eforms and I filed as an individual and not a trust. So really the SBR process is not bad at all right now.

And yes, those 16" barrels on a 1911 do look awful. I completely agree!

Trashyshoots · May 8, 2020

Olympus said:
My last SBR was this past fall and it only took 30 days to get the approval. I used Eforms and I filed as an individual and not a trust. So really the SBR process is not bad at all right now.

And yes, those 16" barrels on a 1911 do look awful. I completely agree!

This is excellent news.

holl · May 8, 2020

https://www.sarcoinc.com/1911-wood-stock-with-connecting-iron/. Sarco has the stock with metal for $35 and the mainspring housing for $19. Use the hardware, replace the wood.

Trashyshoots · May 9, 2020

holl said:
https://www.sarcoinc.com/1911-wood-stock-with-connecting-iron/. Sarco has the stock with metal for $35 and the mainspring housing for $19. Use the hardware, replace the wood.

My man! Thats about the price range he was hoping for if he was going to just keep the wood on a shelf. Thank you, ill forward that.

CapnMac · May 9, 2020

All of this would be simpler had Colt simply followed the example of the GP35 and similar arms.
ATFE has a list of historic "stocked pistols" that can be permit-less with the factory barrel. And do not require matched serial number stocks.
Sadly, to my knowledge, there are not 1911s on that list (except by specific reference). I could be wrong in that.

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