Danny Creasy
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A customer was really interested in a Remington 7615 my employer purchased from a police department. After I showed how compatible it was with AR mags, he got out his wallet.
Hi-cap Pump!
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Corpral_Agarn
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What the...
I like it!
LOL
I like it!
LOL
badkarmamib
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Heavy, unwieldy, impractical... Sign me up for one!
Dave DeLaurant
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My third-tier get off my lawn rifle -- after my M1 Garand and Ruger PC9 -- is a Troy .223 PAR with a bandoleer of the PRC-mandated 10-shot PMAG clips. I'm accustomed to pumps, and this seemed like a fair back up option to a real semiauto rifle or carbine. Because it's manually operated, I also get a real pistol grip and folding stock out of the compromise.
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theotherwaldo
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I've been trying to find one of these for years!
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Danny Creasy
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I think we have one left on the floor. See Gun Broker - Cypress Creek Indoor Range.
They made them briefly, never really caught on and for good reason. I'd never consider that rifle unless AR were to be banned and I were forced to turn in the ones I have. Even then it would be a distant 2nd or 3rd choice to this which also uses AR mags.
https://ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/specSheets/26965.html
https://ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/specSheets/26965.html
BlueHeelerFl
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Back in the early 2000's I gave serious thought to buying one. I had a run of bad luck with semi auto rifles and thus seemed interesting.
I wouldn't mind having one, but the Ruger is a nice rifle and is on my list. I'm thinking of getting the 7.62x39 model though
I wouldn't mind having one, but the Ruger is a nice rifle and is on my list. I'm thinking of getting the 7.62x39 model though
These things briefly came out I think to target the California market before bullet buttons and other things (some of which have also since been banned) allowed people to continue using semi auto firearms they preferred instead.
The problem is that when semi autos are restricted or banned capacity tends to get banned too, and progressively the left over capable firearms become more restricted.
Shotguns for example often get capacity restrictions in the 3-5 round capacity limit for example, and have quickly been targets of additional legislation in all places that banned semi-autos first as pump action shotguns were often quite popular, which means they become the go to for good and bad actions alike and have only a slightly reduced rate of fire of a semi auto (though much harder to use if wounded or one handed.)
Australia, England, many EU nations, I think even some states with assault weapon restrictions. MA I believe has a 5 round capacity limit on shotguns before they are considered an assault weapon, which is well below the limits for other types of firearms.
And the Federal law included guns like the street sweeper, and striker, which in all reality is less capable than a semi auto shotgun, and the only feature they had was a drum, some of which required manual winding and so would be slower to reload.
I know this is a rifle and not a shotgun, but I believe the same principle applies.
The only point at which this would be preferred over a semi auto is a point at which it will be quickly under attack too because semi autos are no longer the primary focus.
I like pumps, and dealing with some greater restrictions on semi autos have made some tricked out pumps in configurations I could not do in semi auto. However in gun fights one of the things injured most frequently is the hands and arms as they are out front and close to the weapon that an opponent is often fixated on. If your weapon requires both hands to operate or even cycle then you are immediately at a major disadvantage if one of the most common things to get injured does get injured.
The problem is that when semi autos are restricted or banned capacity tends to get banned too, and progressively the left over capable firearms become more restricted.
Shotguns for example often get capacity restrictions in the 3-5 round capacity limit for example, and have quickly been targets of additional legislation in all places that banned semi-autos first as pump action shotguns were often quite popular, which means they become the go to for good and bad actions alike and have only a slightly reduced rate of fire of a semi auto (though much harder to use if wounded or one handed.)
Australia, England, many EU nations, I think even some states with assault weapon restrictions. MA I believe has a 5 round capacity limit on shotguns before they are considered an assault weapon, which is well below the limits for other types of firearms.
And the Federal law included guns like the street sweeper, and striker, which in all reality is less capable than a semi auto shotgun, and the only feature they had was a drum, some of which required manual winding and so would be slower to reload.
I know this is a rifle and not a shotgun, but I believe the same principle applies.
The only point at which this would be preferred over a semi auto is a point at which it will be quickly under attack too because semi autos are no longer the primary focus.
I like pumps, and dealing with some greater restrictions on semi autos have made some tricked out pumps in configurations I could not do in semi auto. However in gun fights one of the things injured most frequently is the hands and arms as they are out front and close to the weapon that an opponent is often fixated on. If your weapon requires both hands to operate or even cycle then you are immediately at a major disadvantage if one of the most common things to get injured does get injured.
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theotherwaldo
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I like pumps because it's easy to hold it out of battery until you are ready to shoot. It's a separate category of safety that doesn't require that you shift your trigger hand from the ready position.
Dave DeLaurant
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By a nice coincidence, this video from an Aussie run-and-gun event was just posted on YouTube this week -- one of the two featured contestants is using a Remington .223 pump:
earlthegoat2
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One came up in GB a few weeks back for $550 BIN. I considered it for a bit because I really like pump rifles but did some research and got to thinking about an AR instead. Loads more utility value in the end but it is still just an AR. I was going for a “ranch rifle” concept and the 7615 or an AR or Mini would work.
Someone jumped on it within 24 hrs of it being listed anyway so I went out and bought a Spikes AR lower locally and have my parts in the mail. Got me a Bushmaster A2 upper for cheap off GB so I will be into this for about 500 including shipping and no transfer fees.
Someone jumped on it within 24 hrs of it being listed anyway so I went out and bought a Spikes AR lower locally and have my parts in the mail. Got me a Bushmaster A2 upper for cheap off GB so I will be into this for about 500 including shipping and no transfer fees.
Dave DeLaurant
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Very good point. It was brought home to me forcefully in 2015 after I shattered my left arm falling from a roof. For the next six months I found that I couldn't _effectively_ manage the full manual of arms with my CCW Glock with only one hand. It was much slower and harder for me to clear a malf or reload an autopistol one-handed than to just run a revolver. I've seen amputees work an autopistol amazingly well with one hand, but it's easy to forget how often you routinely use both hands when you operate a firearm.
I started seriously thinking about this possibility after my accident, and my conclusion was that if I'm down to just one hand, any long arm is going to be a challenge to operate effectively. A short, light and well-balanced semiauto like a PCC or SBR is probably the easiest type to manage one-handed, but the Plan B I've been practicing is to immediately shift to the revolver in my ambi holster, if I can, should either hand get crippled and my primary arm either jams or goes empty. For me at least, the specific long arm choice isn't as much of a factor as having a Plan B.
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They were introduced back when LEOs were making the switch from shotguns to rifles. Remington thought it would be a natural transition from the 870. Good idea, but they were priced to high. I managed to snag mine a few years ago for under $500.
Well I first started to see them offered in many locations when ARs and other semi auto pistol grip rifles were banned in CA, before methods of still offering them were widely adopted by manufacturers
One handed and shorter weapons with a pistol grip that are semi auto allow someone injured or using one hand to make a phone call, open a door, or do other activities to remain in the fight. It might require some muscle, but is entirely doable.
Guns that are akward and imbalanced or require two hands to operate either to hold or to cycle can deliver just as much firepower, but the scope of their usefulness is greatly diminished.
Adopting a firearm like this is essentially going in reverse. While they will not avoid legislation for long if semi autos are banned.
On top of that it is in a caliber that if I am limited to low capacity or slower shots I would avoid.
.223/5.56 is really for fully automatic high rates of fire with manageable recoil while allowing someone to carry a lot of ammunition. If you don't even have semi-auto rates of fire why not step it up to something more effective?
One handed and shorter weapons with a pistol grip that are semi auto allow someone injured or using one hand to make a phone call, open a door, or do other activities to remain in the fight. It might require some muscle, but is entirely doable.
Guns that are akward and imbalanced or require two hands to operate either to hold or to cycle can deliver just as much firepower, but the scope of their usefulness is greatly diminished.
Adopting a firearm like this is essentially going in reverse. While they will not avoid legislation for long if semi autos are banned.
On top of that it is in a caliber that if I am limited to low capacity or slower shots I would avoid.
.223/5.56 is really for fully automatic high rates of fire with manageable recoil while allowing someone to carry a lot of ammunition. If you don't even have semi-auto rates of fire why not step it up to something more effective?
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Pat Riot
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Seriously? That’s just nuts.
BlueHeelerFl
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Wow! Maybe someone should tell Remington?
I have never liked pumps. I have my fathers 760 in 30-06, my fathers Ithica and I got rid of my 870. I have short stroked every single one of them... and when I short stroke them they lock up hard! For me semi's are a more reliable firearm!
Interesting rifle though!
Interesting rifle though!
someguy2800
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Better hit the gym or your arm won’t make it through a drum!
someguy2800
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nuts!
KevininPa
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Holy crap! Almost makes me want to get a stock set from Boyd's and list mine.........
.NAAAAAH! Although I do like the wood stock. I will do that for myself one day.
I traded a CZ Compact for mine. Didn't like the fat grip. Got the CZ for $450 new. Goes to show how long ago that was. The largest mag I use in mine is a twenty. That drum would tire me out!
KevininPa
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During Obama's Banic I've seen them go for over $2500. I was VERY tempted then.
Curious as to why you'd pick the bolt action over the pump? Faster follow up shots are with the pump. Btw, I've been considering getting one of the Ranch guns for some time. Picked this up last night. Mounted a Leupold 2x7 scope, and A2 flash hider. Won't get to shoot it till the weekend, but it is a handy little package.
It will be a nice companion to my 7615P.
Legionnaire
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Found this one recently. Certainly don't need it, but have always thought the 7615 was a rather cool idea.
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